Mooring Strop Protection

[Lakesailor]

I looked at the pics again of the 30 Jen and the pipe is not split for fitting. The strop has been passed through. The splits are jagged along the length of the pipe.

I phoned the owner and he didn't seem that bothered. He'll be up on Thursday he said (we have gales forecast for Tuesday).
I did suggest I could go and remove the pipe, but he didn't seem fussed.
Can't help some people.

(Patriot is sound, if John is reading)

 

[Scareyclott]

If this type of warp are a problem why are they sold with the pipe on them?
Does the pipe have a purpose?

I have three ropes attached to the front for the winter all came new this year with plastic sleeves, 2 x 10m & 1 x 14 should I remove the pipe or will they take a while to degrade?

Scott

 

[fireball]

I phoned the owner and he didn't seem that bothered.

There's your answer - doesn't care ....

 

[fireball]

If this type of warp are a problem why are they sold with the pipe on them?
Does the pipe have a purpose?

I have three ropes attached to the front for the winter all came new this year with plastic sleeves, 2 x 10m & 1 x 14 should I remove the pipe or will they take a while to degrade?

Scott

you look like you're in a marina - so it's a little easier to check the lines.
IMHO The lines should all be doubled up anyway - preferably with the second line slightly looser than the first.
Keep a close eye on them for chaff - unless the pipe is completely opaque I wouldn't remove them unless they look like they're damaging the line.

Whilst I disagree with Lakey's view that pipes over mooring strops are bad - I completely concur with his view that they should ALL be checked regularly..

If someone rang me to say there's a problem with one of my lines - then there is usually a spare in the cockpit - tie that on in addition please...

 

[the_branflake]

I looked at the pics again of the 30 Jen and the pipe is not split for fitting. The strop has been passed through. The splits are jagged along the length of the pipe.

I phoned the owner and he didn't seem that bothered. He'll be up on Thursday he said (we have gales forecast for Tuesday).
I did suggest I could go and remove the pipe, but he didn't seem fussed.
Can't help some people.

(Patriot is sound, if John is reading)

No wonder you see all the posts from the lake wardens saying these boats are going walk about. My boat isn't in the same league value wise but if i knew something like that had happened i would be glad of the help and be up to it as soon as possibly.

And to get that kind of response after taking the time to check someones boat.... Shocking

 

[rob2]

The "don't care" attitude is not uncommon. Some years ago, during a lull in a storm, I went out to our swinging mooring to check the strops and general security - sail ties, halyards, etc. Passing one boat with a split, adjustable backstay, I noticed that the shackle holding the tackle had come out putting a shock load on the talurit splices with the mast moving around. I climbed aboard (not easy in rough conditions and a light displacement boat) and re-secured the mast. No thanks forthcoming although we'd saved the whole rig.

About a month later on the same boat the forestay parted and I climbed aboard again and effected a temporary repair with some spare wire and bulldog clips. Again, no thanks. Who's the fool him or me? I just can't stand by and watch a boat wrecking itself and I don't want his rig stoving a hole in my hull either!

Rob.

P.S. I never got my bulldog clips back, either.

 

[Scareyclott]

you look like you're in a marina - so it's a little easier to check the lines.
IMHO The lines should all be doubled up anyway - preferably with the second line slightly looser than the first.
Keep a close eye on them for chaff - unless the pipe is completely opaque I wouldn't remove them unless they look like they're damaging the line.

Whilst I disagree with Lakey's view that pipes over mooring strops are bad - I completely concur with his view that they should ALL be checked regularly..

If someone rang me to say there's a problem with one of my lines - then there is usually a spare in the cockpit - tie that on in addition please...

Fireball, she is back on the lake now on her swinging mooring, i have three strops on her 2 taking the strain and 1 longer one as a back up, they are all new this season so i should think they will be ok for a year or two. I just wondered if there was a point to the tube, i presume it is to help stop the rope from wearing in th fairleads (not the best picture sorry a bit blurry)

 

[Lakesailor]

That should be fine. The concept of the pipe is undoubtedly to reduce chafe. However the ends of the pipe create chafing points in themselves. I have use nylon strops for 8 years without any chafe problems, run over both bow roller and through fairleads.
The only failure has been a polypropelene strop I made as an experiment. It didn't show any signs of wear but suddenly parted. The nylon back-up saved the day.

I would have, as others have suggested) made the third strop of chain and a foot or two longer as a final back-up. You could lead it over the bow roller and possibly put a couple of cable ties over it to keep it in place. Hopefully it would never need to come under tension.

 

[fireball]

As LS says - that should be fine ... and as suggested - a chain backup would 'save the day' should the others part for whatever reason.

The tube does reduce chafe - but not effectively if it's used in a high chafe installation - as it will just wear through the tube and then onto the strop ...

Why don't you run one of the lines through the bow roller?

Just keep an eye on the mooring as often as possible (without risking your own life) - bino's are good - as is a digital camera with a big zoom that you can then inspect later on ...
And - whenever possible, check before and after a storm - SWMBO checked ours this morning on her way to work ... but we are in a marina atm ...

 

[Scareyclott]

Why don't you run one of the lines through the bow roller?

Just keep an eye on the mooring as often as possible

Thanks LS and Fireball i will definitely consider getting some chain on there as a last resort and yes in hinesight i should have run that third longer strop through the bow roller

I am keeping an eye on it as much as possible but i live about 220 miles away and that would make the SWMBO's trip to work a bit long we are not all as lucky as LS to live in that area (well no yet)

We were up there last weekend after the storm and all looked fine, next visit is a week for new year cant wait

 

[Lady Campanula]

I've just returned from 'winterising' the mooring strops on a 34' keelboat on the Tamar, sitting on an E/W fore-and-aft mooring. Last night was quite wild - big Spring tide, and >50knots gusts from the south.

This past year I've had twinned 20mm core-and-sheath strops at bow and stern with 'layflat' impregnated firehose as antichafe. That's 'lifed item' stuff for most factories and public buildings, so there's lots of it about, free. VIP - I have cords fitted to the lengths of tubing so I can secure the stuff in place.

I fitted a further 'belt and braces' chain strop yesterday, just before the wind backed and picked up. That has been wound 3 times around-and-through an old car tyre, as a 'snubber', which now sits between the bows and the buoy. While probably thought unsightly by some, it will ensure that - should the paired rope strops start to chafe with cyclic sideways sheering/loading, the chain is there as backstop, but will not be snubbing hard in the chop and risking pulled-out foredeck fittings.

Oh, and the arrangement has the full approval of the nearby pro moorings contractor.

 

[skyflyer]

I'm curious (an ignorant!) as to why encapsulated stainless steel rope is not used for a mooring warp?

 

[Lakesailor]

Too rigid (flex).
No give (tension)
Galvanic corrosion.
Prone to fracture

Bound to be more reasons.

 

[A1Sailor]

How about wrapping the rope in something easily replaceable?
Presumably Seafarers used to do this in ye olden times?

 

[Leighb]

How about wrapping the rope in something easily replaceable?
Presumably Seafarers used to do this in ye olden times?

I think it was referred to as "Serving and Parcelling" ? I am sure I have this mentioned in books such as Hornblower etc. The context, if I recall correctly, being to protect a towrope, but the purpose is the same.

 

[JayBee]

I think it was referred to as "Serving and Parcelling" ? I am sure I have this mentioned in books such as Hornblower etc. The context, if I recall correctly, being to protect a towrope, but the purpose is the same.

Worm and parcel with the lay
Turn and serve the other way