Moody 45 DS

>What a load of rubbish. You base your statement on just one experience with a system that is less than good. Thousands of people own boats with in mast furling without any problems. For example,almost 100% of HRs over 40' have Selden in mast. Are they all wrong?

What I said is I would not buy an inmast furling boat because of my experience, at no point did I say what other people should do or that they are wrong, it seems you missed that.
 
I've been on one and I liked it: shorter than mine but more usable space, brighter, and an infinitely better view at anchor.

The biggest beef the owner had was with visibility: in the cockpit one has to look through the patio doors and windscreen, which if closed or suffering from condensation is not really feasible. Someone mentioned a box to stand on and a cat-like raised helm position might be a good idea as there is nowhere to sit with clear visibility lines. Happy to be corrected, but I don't even think it has windscreen wipers, which coupled with the lack of a separate wheel renders the inside 'helm position' somewhat compromised. As for those patio doors; they don't stand a chance against green water.

That said, as a Med platform I'd leap at the chance, not sure about Carib though as cats are just much better there.
 
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dom said:
...The biggest beef the owner had was with visibility: in the cockpit one has to look through the patio doors and windscreen, which if closed or suffering from condensation is not really feasible. Someone mentioned a box to stand on and a cat-like raised helm position might be a good idea as there is nowhere to sit with clear visibility lines. Happy to be corrected, but I don't even think it has windscreen wipers, which coupled with the lack of a separate wheel renders the inside 'helm position' somewhat compromised.....
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Having driven one a couple of hundred miles, Sant Carles to Torrievieja, I'd concur with that. Not enough wind to really know how it sailed though
 
KellysEye said:
>What a load of rubbish. You base your statement on just one experience with a system that is less than good. Thousands of people own boats with in mast furling without any problems. For example,almost 100% of HRs over 40' have Selden in mast. Are they all wrong?

What I said is I would not buy an inmast furling boat because of my experience, at no point did I say what other people should do or that they are wrong, it seems you missed that.
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You do not need to specify in mast - did you miss that?So go ahead and buy a Moody 45DS.

You trot this single sentence out regularly irrespective of the boat in question. Who cares whether you had a bad experience on one boat some long time in the past? You add nothing to the discussion about this boat because you are just by your own admission just using it as a vehicle to demonstrate your prejudice.

Look forward to you writing in length about your experience with your new Moody when you buy it, now you know that you don't have to specify in mast.
 
RobbieW said:
Having driven one a couple of hundred miles, Sant Carles to Torrievieja, I'd concur with that. Not enough wind to really know how it sailed though
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Nice view, light winds, sunny skies and 18C in Torrevieja today - go on then, I'll swap you ;)
 
maby said:
Ah, but have you ever tried patio doors? We have recently switched from a boat with patio doors to one with conventional wash-boards and I've been surprised at how much I've missed the convenience of simply opening a door. Don't get me wrong - we absolutely love the new boat and the lack of patio doors was nowhere near a deal killer, but I really ro miss them.
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But you freely admit to going nowhere. I can see why you would love your patio doors. Taking green water in the cockpit you may wish for something more secure. You chose your weapon for the job?
 
dom said:
Nice view, light winds, sunny skies and 18C in Torrevieja today - go on then, I'll swap you ;)
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Sadly that was about 3 years ago so not enjoying those conditions today :( However, according to the extensive research done by a friend, Torrie has the cheapest Full English on the Costas !
 
fredrussell said:
It’s not a boat I would look back at whilst rowing away. A boat has to be at least a little bit pretty doesn’t it?
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That's why I paddle away from mine but row back. It would be lovely to have a pretty boat but the utility and comfort is far more important to me so I can do the sailing I want to do and enjoy the experience of living aboard too.

Re the patio doors - I am looking at solutions including doors for our next Atlantic crossing. There are safe washboard setups and unsafe ones and ours are so unsafe that we have never put them in when sailing. Basically the single washboard has no captive track - couldn't have one becuase it relies on the top of the washboard fitting under the solid lip of the hatch and can only be shut using a padlock (or bolt if we wanted one) on the outside of the washboard with hatch fully closed so trapping any crew members below unless they climbed up onto the saloon table and leapt above shoulder height to come out just under the vang.
 
KellysEye said:
What I said is I would not buy an inmast furling boat because of my experience, at no point did I say what other people should do or that they are wrong, it seems you missed that.
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I'm always nervous of in-mast furling - have avoided it like the plague until recently. Our new boat came with it and, sure enough, I managed to jam it due to misoperation and damaged the sail - a couple of hundred pounds repair bill. But, not withstanding that, I do recognise that I need it - I simply cannot manage slab reefing any more on the size of boat I want to own. I am now more careful with the set-up of the main sail and the in-mast has worked ok.
 
geem said:
But you freely admit to going nowhere. I can see why you would love your patio doors. Taking green water in the cockpit you may wish for something more secure. You chose your weapon for the job��
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Seems that oodles of catamarans cruise around the worlds oceans with patio doors.
 
maby said:
I'm always nervous of in-mast furling - have avoided it like the plague until recently. Our new boat came with it and, sure enough, I managed to jam it due to misoperation
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I also had a bad experience first time I chartered a boat with in mast furling - also due to my cack handedness, hauling on the wrong string at the wrong time. Totally my fault.
Blame the operator not the kit.
Since then, no problem in any subsequent charter boats, but I still prefer the set-up on my boat, lazy jacks and slab reefing (plus a power winch for the halyard.)
 
Resolution said:
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Since then, no problem in any subsequent charter boats, but I still prefer the set-up on my boat, lazy jacks and slab reefing (plus a power winch for the halyard.)
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Slab reefing is fine on smaller boats, but the trend with modern, larger boats towards very high booms over wide cockpits makes it a real problem. On our previous boat, I simply could not reach the stack-pack to stow the sail and close the zip. On that Moody 45DS, it would be necessary to climb onto the roof - not sure if it is made to take the weight of an adult male and, even if it is, it would be quite a stretch to get up there.
 
Wansworth said:
I agree sailed on a 45 footer this summer and needed a step to reach the goose neck.....
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True, mine's a c.70m^2 fully battened stack-pack and definitely needs a step or two on the mast, as I guess do lots of boats fitted with roller-bearing cars riding on the luff track.

The lazy-bag can be a PITA, but side-zipping versions are available which mostly solve the problem.

To be honest I doubt this is an issue with this Moody as I doubt they sell anything other than in-mast on such a boat. There's a discussion to be had re in-mast mainsail reefing systems, but reliability is not one of them with modern properly installed OEM systems.


Edit re row away factor - IMHO 60' is about the length double-decker boats start to look good. 45'ers just look dumpy to me but that's just an opinion. On the flip-side Moody has certainly gained a lot of space by going this way.
 
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maby said:
Ah, but have you ever tried patio doors? We have recently switched from a boat with patio doors to one with conventional wash-boards and I've been surprised at how much I've missed the convenience of simply opening a door. Don't get me wrong - we absolutely love the new boat and the lack of patio doors was nowhere near a deal killer, but I really ro miss them.
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That is where our choice works well. A single metal framed glazed door, to Port, allowing a 10 inch step into the rear cockpit from the Pilothouse. This has an opening gate on substantial hinges which allows another shallow-8 inch-step onto the substantial swim platform. Alongside or in a Marina, easy on/off.
We also have inside only steering position with side by side swivelling/locking seats with folding armrests and fabulous vision from inside, at sea, on the hook or alongside.

The Moody came close but the Island Packet SP Cruiser ticked more boxes.

Others may find the converse, of course.
 
davidej said:
For me, the Halcyon Yacht posts are just a clever way of getting round the no advertisements rule.

But others seem to love them.
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I think the post Halcyon make and just a tad short but at least give you a feeling they are not armchair sailors
 
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