Moody 336 (twin keels) or HR35 Rasmus?

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My HR Rasmus has beaching legs. It has lugs in the deck to connect them to and its all thought through rather well. don't know if this is standard cos it looks a professional job

Bit fussy but it sits nicely on its long keel on a flat surface. that said legs are n good for ditch crawler east coast style but might save you if you cut across the shallows like MG used to and get caught.

Rasmus good for speed in a straight line but its slower to tack and come up to speed. Would be awful short tacking in a river. Moody would be much better in that situation even with bilge keels.

That said Rasmus is much better than a motor sailor. It's a long legged cruising yacht with a large motor rather than a motor sailor as emphasised by Ludd's decent passage times.

Its more from the same box as a Nic 38 or Moody Halbadier than a Fisher.

When i want to go racing I borrow a dinghy or go on someone else's boat.

Horses for courses
 
EuanMcKenzie said:
That said Rasmus is much better than a motor sailor. It's a long legged cruising yacht with a large motor rather than a motor sailor as emphasised by Ludd's decent passage times.

Its more from the same box as a Nic 38 or Moody Halbadier than a Fisher.
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Don't think anybody was questioning its ability for what it is (and very good at it). Rather surprise that it ended up on a short list of two along with the Moody.

Can imagine them both being on the long list of 40 or 50 boats that meet the very broad initial criteria, but making a choice between the two is a bit like saying can't decide whether to have a Ford C Max or a BMW 320d - both two litre diesels, have a great following, room for 5 passengers, reputation for good handling and come from well regarded designers!
 
what is it for

Not really - i wanted a solid and safe centre cockpit boat and looked at Moody 33s as an option.

Once i looked at a few boats i then had to do some real thinking. Was teh sigma 33 too sporty for the family, did I like teh blue loo in the Moody etc.....

Strange there are only 2 on his list but maybe they are the best boats condition wise he has found.

Agree the OP needs to do some thinking re what he wants from his boat as we can't advise on that bit
 
The Moody 336 bears no relationship to the much earlier 33. The 336 is aft cockpit modern design. The 33 would be more of a comparison with the HR being a 1970s boat with centre cockpit
 
Bosun Higgs said:
The Moody 336 bears no relationship to the much earlier 33. The 336 is aft cockpit modern design. The 33 would be more of a comparison with the HR being a 1970s boat with centre cockpit
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Other than age, approximate size and centre cockpit, there is no comparison between the Moody 33 and the HR/Nab.

The first Moody 33 was the first of the "modern" production boats - light displacement, wide beam, short ends, shallow canoe bodied hull, fin keel, skeg hung rudder. Although the 336 is a different boat and different designer (although a former employee of the designer of the 33), it is a direct descendent of the 33 using the same design principles.

Both are very different from the HR/Nab - heavy displacement, narrow beam, overhangs, deep wineglass hul, long keel, attached rudder - a GRP version of a "traditional" wooden boat - and good at it.
 
If Easyjet is working tomorrow I will be in Corfu. There is a German guy who keeps his HR 35 there. It is usually laid up in September just behind my then mooring so every morning I would see the shapely back end peeping out from under the covers. Keeps it absolutely immaculate. Although not a suitable boat (in my opinion) for the environment, I always feel a twinge of envy when I see it!
 
Tranona said:
If Easyjet is working tomorrow I will be in Corfu. There is a German guy who keeps his HR 35 there. It is usually laid up in September just behind my then mooring so every morning I would see the shapely back end peeping out from under the covers. Keeps it absolutely immaculate. Although not a suitable boat (in my opinion) for the environment, I always feel a twinge of envy when I see it!
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Tend to agree,she's more suited--ideally suited ,in fact--to Northern waters.

I still intend to make my lazy way to Greece over the next 18months!
 
Ludd said:
Tend to agree,she's more suited--ideally suited ,in fact--to Northern waters.

I still intend to make my lazy way to Greece over the next 18months!
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Well, if you ask me nicely you can buy my Bavaria 37. I shall be sailing her back from Corfu to Poole in a couple of weeks time - due back early June. Will be ready to go back again - fully kitted out for comfortable life in the Med and shallow draft to give you the choice of the canal route (although we are coming round the outside).

Although I am sure you will have a wonderful time with your Rasmus, once you get there you will realise why few people choose boats like yours for the job and why AWBs have developed in the way they have.

Good luck!
 
Tranona said:
Well, if you ask me nicely you can buy my Bavaria 37. I shall be sailing her back from Corfu to Poole in a couple of weeks time - due back early June. Will be ready to go back again - fully kitted out for comfortable life in the Med and shallow draft to give you the choice of the canal route (although we are coming round the outside).

Although I am sure you will have a wonderful time with your Rasmus, once you get there you will realise why few people choose boats like yours for the job and why AWBs have developed in the way they have.

Good luck!
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Fully aware of the drawbacks, BUT I don't intend to suffer another winter on the Clyde.
What you say about development of boats is right---large open cockpits,no possibility of drying out so no need for bilge or long keels,ease of handling so no skegs,etc. Trouble is the extremes make them damned uncomfortable in the Minch in September!
Oh yes and my limited experience of awb s saw me going round the bend with the slamming on ripples!

But horses for courses!

p.s I've only got ten pounds(Scots) ! Will that do?
 
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Tranona said:
Other than age, approximate size and centre cockpit, there is no comparison between the Moody 33 and the HR/Nab.

The first Moody 33 was the first of the "modern" production boats - light displacement, wide beam, short ends, shallow canoe bodied hull, fin keel, skeg hung rudder. Although the 336 is a different boat and different designer (although a former employee of the designer of the 33), it is a direct descendent of the 33 using the same design principles.

Both are very different from the HR/Nab - heavy displacement, narrow beam, overhangs, deep wineglass hul, long keel, attached rudder - a GRP version of a "traditional" wooden boat - and good at it.
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You are part wrong. The Nab 35 has a displacement according to HR of 12125 lbs compared to the 336 with 12584 - so the Nab is the light weight compared to the 336. Not surprisingly, the nab flies 45 sq metres of sail compared to the 336 with 55 which is where the better performance comes in. The overhangs on the nab are 7 ft compared to 5 ft on the moody and the beam is quite a bit different.
 
Bosun Higgs said:
You are part wrong. The Nab 35 has a displacement according to HR of 12125 lbs compared to the 336 with 12584 - so the Nab is the light weight compared to the 336. Not surprisingly, the nab flies 45 sq metres of sail compared to the 336 with 55 which is where the better performance comes in. The overhangs on the nab are 7 ft compared to 5 ft on the moody and the beam is quite a bit different.
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Just because the 336 is heavier does not mean it is heavy displacement. In all bar LOA it is a "bigger" boat - longer WL, greater beam and particularly fuller lines aft. The Nab is ligheter because it is a "smaller" boat, but heavy for its size!
 
Tranona said:
Just because the 336 is heavier does not mean it is heavy displacement. In all bar LOA it is a "bigger" boat - longer WL, greater beam and particularly fuller lines aft. The Nab is ligheter because it is a "smaller" boat, but heavy for its size!
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Lighter,shmighter!!
In the slings mine tips the scales at a touch over 9tons(full tanks,full cruising mode!)
She hasn't got low freeboard ,she's got a high waterline !
 
Just goes to show what a nonsense builders' figures can be - although nearly 3.5 tons of fuel and stores does sound a lot, so I expect the factory figure is a bit of wishful thinking!
 
Dont forget to add in all tyhe water that the hull has absorbed in the last 40 years. Not to mention all the rubbish that has dropped into the bilge and the bottoms of the lockers.,
 
Bosun Higgs said:
Dont forget to add in all tyhe water that the hull has absorbed in the last 40 years. Not to mention all the rubbish that has dropped into the bilge and the bottoms of the lockers.,
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Nah, she was stripped dried and resheathed at Fox's just before I bought her.
But 45 galls water,45galls diesel,2RF HEADSAILS+ 3hankons+ cruising chute.3 anchors. 60MTS 10 MM CHAIN. Enough warp to anchor in 100mtres with 7:1 scope. More tools than I know how to use(trying to cut down) Spare ss rigging wire norseman terminals, umpteen ss shackles---OH yes,if I couldn't go ashore for three months I wouldn't starve! Maybe Tranona's 3.5 tonnes isn't so far off!:eek:

These sails are additional to the genny and main already bent on,and I've got a new main on order!

Did I mention the 6 x110amp batteries,the Duogen, the 2x85watt solar panels ,the Avon ,the ouboard----and of course every single worldly possession I value!
 
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Got a pal whose 8 tonne displacement boat comes in at 11.5 tonne on the crane because of all the diving gear, tools etc on board. But by the sound of it, he's a complete beginner compared to you. 6 batteries! How on earth do you charge that lot at a reasonable rate?

One of the unrecognised advantages of winter racing is that my boat is at the other extreme. Only just put the anchor chain back on board and water in the tank for the first time this year. One chart, no food, quarter tank of diesel and the only luxury is two spinnakers.

Even the bilges are empty.
 
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Ludd said:
Nah, she was stripped dried and resheathed at Fox's just before I bought her.
But 45 galls water,45galls diesel,2RF HEADSAILS+ 3hankons+ cruising chute.3 anchors. 60MTS 10 MM CHAIN. Enough warp to anchor in 100mtres with 7:1 scope. More tools than I know how to use(trying to cut down) Spare ss rigging wire norseman terminals, umpteen ss shackles---OH yes,if I couldn't go ashore for three months I wouldn't starve! Maybe Tranona's 3.5 tonnes isn't so far off!:eek:

These sails are additional to the genny and main already bent on,and I've got a new main on order!

Did I mention the 6 x110amp batteries,the Duogen, the 2x85watt solar panels ,the Avon ,the ouboard----and of course every single worldly possession I value!
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Do you have a "Kitchen Sink" Tom :)
 
Heavyweight NABS

Its these heavyweight NABs

This is Tresco lady alongside at Tarbert

She sat 4" lower in the water than my boat does

My lockers are pretty full too.

Not sure the Nabs arn't a bit heavier somewhere?
 
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