Moan Moan Moan

[jcwads]

Boating is turning me into a moaner. My latest moan is coming back into Hamble entrance to find an array of yachts coming out of the Hamble spread across the whole channel, resulting in me having to exit the channel to avoid collision on a low tide, resulting in stupidly low water under the boat and not even a wave of thank you.

 

[alant]

Boating is turning me into a moaner. My latest moan is coming back into Hamble entrance to find an array of yachts coming out of the Hamble spread across the whole channel, resulting in me having to exit the channel to avoid collision on a low tide, resulting in stupidly low water under the boat and not even a wave of thank you.

They must abide by the collision regs, so if you are stand on vessel, stand on, otherwise it causes confusion.
Obviously you mustn't collide, by the yachts exiting have a responsibility as well.

 

[jcwads]

They must abide by the collision regs, so if you are stand on vessel, stand on, otherwise it causes confusion.
Obviously you mustn't collide, by the yachts exiting have a responsibility as well.

We would have collided, 100%.

 

[simonfraser]

in our local river just stay your ground and they will move, eventually ...

 

[anoccasionalyachtsman]

I sail in and out (no engine) and always thank everyone who makes allowances for me. If I'm having to tack I try to time it to avoid hindrance.

I'll be an obstruction coming out at about 9am and in at around 3pm both days this weekend if you'd like a wave.

 

[jcwads]

I sail in and out (no engine) and always thank everyone who makes allowances for me. If I'm having to tack I try to time it to avoid hindrance.

I'll be an obstruction coming out at about 9am and in at around 3pm both days this weekend if you'd like a wave.

Your point is not taking into account the situation I was in. I am not precious and I would give way without an issue where needed. However the fairway was fully obstructed across the whole width with all boats exiting the Hamble and giving me nowhere to go apart from outside the fairway and into shallow water.

 

[Blue Sunray]

Your point is not taking into account the situation I was in. I am not precious and I would give way without an issue where needed. However the fairway was fully obstructed across the whole width with all boats exiting the Hamble and giving me nowhere to go apart from outside the fairway and into shallow water.

I do hope you slowed right down so your wash didn't spill their tea/almost throw a teenager overboard/ruin the grandchildren's board games.

 

[savageseadog]

The OP was entering from open water into restricted waters, it wouldn't make any sense to enter if there's no room. If boats are spread all over the channel the ones heading out on the port side should move over, unless there's not enough water. As I remember the starboard side (exiting) is where the spit is. Hamble's a busy place.

 

[Solent Sailor]

Hamble is a busy place, and can get a bit fraught at times.

I was bringing our (former) 40ft yacht into the river the day of this year's Warming Pan dinghy race and one competitor couldn't understand why it was a bad idea for him to tack immediately under our bows having previously looked as if he was making for the other side of the channel with other boats. Lots of shouts of "we're racing" "you have to keep clear" "power gives way to sail" etc from him and other competitors. I took the opportunity to respond that I knew both the Colregs and the rules or racing as well if not better than most of them and that the overarching obligation of all vessels is to avoid a collision. 8 tonnes of yacht (even under power) does not react as quickly as a 15ft dinghy.

 

[Blue Sunray]

The OP was entering from open water into restricted waters, it wouldn't make any sense to enter if there's no room.

Useful advice if he can consult a crystal ball before entering the channel to see what will happen at the entrance to the river, chocolate fireguard territory otherwise.

 

[Pete7]

Hamble is a busy place, and can get a bit fraught at times.

Wait till you see it next weekend:

http://www.ybw.com/news-from-yachti...acing-race-solent-longhaul-june-23-2018-67770

If there wasn't enough people speeding up and down the Solent then what about "100km across the Solent….a true test of endurance and bravery" So how does 60 miles in a Zapcat around the Western Solent require endurance and bravery? I could understand a cross channel event without stopping, but hurst Castle?

 

[volvopaul]

Sounds like a normal weekend on the Hamble to me , you will get used to it.
And the verbal abuse .

 

[Firefly625]

Wait till you see it next weekend:

http://www.ybw.com/news-from-yachti...acing-race-solent-longhaul-june-23-2018-67770

If there wasn't enough people speeding up and down the Solent then what about "100km across the Solent….a true test of endurance and bravery" So how does 60 miles in a Zapcat around the Western Solent require endurance and bravery? I could understand a cross channel event without stopping, but hurst Castle?

thanks for the heads up...

...Zap Cat + 50hp = 70mph..... really?!

 

[alt]

thanks for the heads up...

...Zap Cat + 50hp = 70mph..... really?!

750cc block, but rarely 50Hp. Not sure what mine is running at, probably about 55HP with some works. I top out at approx. 50 knots but I have the more comfortable (but slower) Ceasar Thundercat.

Very important is your (and your co-pilot) weight.... you're the heavest item! (Boat is 70KG, engine approx the same)

They're great fun. Was out last weekend, clocked up approx 30 miles at WOT and burned a whopping 16 liters.

 

[jfm]

the overarching obligation of all vessels is to avoid a collision. 8 tonnes of yacht (even under power) does not react as quickly as a 15ft dinghy.

I'm definitely not saying the other guy was correct, but what you have stated there is also very far from correct. The obligation of the stand on vessel to avoid a collision is a last resort obligation triggered only in specified circumstances at the "5 seconds before impact" point in proceedings, so it is far from "overarching".

 

[Bigplumbs]

Looks like boating has turned a lot of people into moaners and also know it alls if you read this thread

 

[Solent Sailor]

I'm definitely not saying the other guy was correct, but what you have stated there is also very far from correct. The obligation of the stand on vessel to avoid a collision is a last resort obligation triggered only in specified circumstances at the "5 seconds before impact" point in proceedings, so it is far from "overarching".

Give me then, please, a scenario in which a vessel is not obliged to avoid a collision? Good seamanship is avoiding a collision, or do you disagree?

"Rule 8 (Action to avoid a collision) (a) Any action taken to avoid collision shall be taken in accordance with the Rules of this Part and shall, if the circumstances of the case admit, be positive, made in ample time and with due regard to the observance of good seamanship." *Emphasis added to time and good seamanship.

Whilst a stand-on vessel is exactly that and timing may be a factor, I expect your insurers probably disagree with your view if your avoiding action required 6 seconds as opposed to your arbitrary 5. As it was, the dingy tacked under by bows (less than half a boat length ahead in a narrow channel, so arguably wasn't keeping a proper lookout too).

We could get into a tedious disentanglement of the Colregs if you like, but I expect we've both got better things to do.

 

[IF-S]

Assuming you are sure they are motoring, keep as close as you can to the starboard markers and give 5 short blasts on your horn. If they know what it means they may move, if they don't know what it means, they may move anyway knowing that you are using it for good reason. It's worked for me many times.

 

[benjenbav]

Of course, there's the leisure-pleasure sailors who aren't looking, the dinghy sailors who won't tack until they see the whites of your eyes and then there's the crusties in their X-boats who just won't tack.

The Hamble-scramble's the perfect antidote to a relaxing day on the water and sets those nerves a-jangling nicely.

 

[superheat6k]

I think it was proven in Court that a sailing vessel tacking can declare his 'maintained course' as his overall course made good, thus allowing him to tack within the confines of a channel. That said most dinghy sailors will attempt not to collide, but if there are hoards of them it can be unnerving.

No excuse for any boats or groups of boats to be hogging an entire channel, and the Hamble isn't that narrow even at low low waters. Were said boats under sail or on engine at the time - many yachties forget the sailing rules do not apply once the engine is on (whether or not in gear is an interesting point - convenient for the skipper to drop the engine into neutral just before he calls for clearance), and especially do not apply if they are overtaking as is often the case with modern dinghies - had several interesting 'on the water debates' with dinghy sailors on this one.