Mixing diesel treatments

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Having just read a copy of MB&Y (quickly so I could be mistaken) I am a little concerned that Insurers may turn down a claim for a boat that drifts onto rocks due to bug affected engines :eek:

I therefore want to add my usual chemicals being Marine 16 and a separate injector cleaner however, a lot of fuel we are buying from South coast marinas comes from Esso’s Fawley refinery and, is pre-dosed with Soltron™.

I dont have a lot of respect for Soltron as it didnt do a lot in a test carried out by PBO (bug test download here.)

Hence I would like to add Marine 16 which is a bi-oxide being a proven germ killer.

I would also like to add an injector cleaner, thinking either millers or Wynns.


Anyone know if this cocktail may cause a problem ?



I want to add as routine house keeping, I dont currently have a known problem.
 
Try it and see!
I have just replaced my fuel filters first time since 2004,they were spotless.
running on soltron now for 14 yrs.
 
All diesel bug killer is some sort of biocides. Us wily chemists often produce cocktails of biocides to treat a range of different problems making them "broad spectrum"

I would not worry about Soltron ( which did very badly is the tests a couple of years ago) and your product which is used mainly in lorries.

Again lorries often have injector cleaner added, and probably on occasion with biocide already in the tank, so I would not worry too much, specially as the concentrations are quite low.
 
thanks, I didnt know that , I just assumed it would be the same.
Ibest get a copy and read it, does anyone know month/year please.
 
pappaecho said:
All diesel bug killer is some sort of biocides. Us wily chemists often produce cocktails of biocides to treat a range of different problems making them "broad spectrum"

I would not worry about Soltron ( which did very badly is the tests a couple of years ago) and your product which is used mainly in lorries.

Again lorries often have injector cleaner added, and probably on occasion with biocide already in the tank, so I would not worry too much, specially as the concentrations are quite low.
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soltron isn't a biocide
 
I don't think it should make a great deal of difference to the running of your engines, they are diesel engines and the fuel that they burn will differ in quality depending on where it comes from so having a couple of different additives in there wont really matter, IMHO
 
diesel bug additive

on the diesel bug front - I have got rid of my problem with Millar Oils "Eclipse Biocide Plus". It has a cetane additive and it claims to clean your injectors. It wasn't in the MBY test but another forum member recommended it. It is a biocide so it kills the little b****rs. You get what looks like black dust in your primary filters for a tank or two. It is £20 a litre for a 1000 litres of diesel. My engines are running much smoother with it and what small amount of smoke I got on start up has virtually gone.
 
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Thanks for everyones help.
Sounds like a millers boost/top up will be a sensible precaution.
All I can find is millers ecomax, any chance you can you remember where you purchased powercide plus please , mail order link perhaps ?
 
I live about 5 miles from their offices so I popped in and bought it over the counter, but the web site is
http://www.millersoils.net/ with contact details etc. They are very helpful technically and do marine engine oils too (cheaper than volvo but same spec as the VDS stuff)
 
Re Soltron. Certainly they did not do well a couple of years ago, when was the new MB&Y test please.
If it is not a biocide what is it?? It can be inorganic ( cyanide, arsenics etc)
 
I dont have a lot of respect for Soltron as it didnt do a lot in a test carried out by PBO (bug test download here.)

Maybe PBO should listen more to their customers, rather than doing silly tests.

Or if not them, the shipping lines and the rest of industry. It's mainly used is in comercial quantities to keep the wheels turning. No mistake Soltron works. Dunno about the others.
 
pappaecho said:
Re Soltron. Certainly they did not do well a couple of years ago, when was the new MB&Y test please.
If it is not a biocide what is it?? It can be inorganic ( cyanide, arsenics etc)
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I spent a lot of time in research a few years ago and I have lost the links where the research took me but details are scarce.

It would appear to be a seaweed derivative, also found in posh ladies shampoo.

What concerns me is that it doesnt kill the bug, it disperses them.

If my fuel has bugs and water in it I want the filter to grab it before it gets anywhere near my pump never mind injectors.

IF soltron works then it helps any bugs (and water) bypass my filters ,thats not what I want.

Having said that I have a lot of respect for HLB and if he says its good value I expect there must be something in it that works or perhaps as his boat is so well used his fuel was constantly been filtered anyway .
 
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pappaecho said:
Re Soltron. Certainly they did not do well a couple of years ago, when was the new MB&Y test please.
If it is not a biocide what is it?? It can be inorganic ( cyanide, arsenics etc)
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Soltron is an enzyme based fuel treatment, as is the StarBrite Startron product. From the Soltron-gtr website

Soltron™ is an organic based fuel enhancing agent which has been developed over many years of research by combining biotechnology and natural enzymes.

Soltron™ acts to change the molecular structure of hydrocarbon molecules in fuel and improves the absorption of oxygen to produce a more complete combustion process. Soltron™ contains no heavy metals or biocides and is completely harmless to engines and other mechanical components. Soltron™ not only eliminates harmful contaminants, it improves engine efficiency, reduces exhaust emissions, reduces maintenance and significantly lowers your fuel costs by improving fuel economy.

Soltron™ provides a variety of benefits for both "On Road" and "Off Road" fuels used in automotive, marine, stationary equipment or recreational vehicle engines. Soltron™ *helps to eliminate water from your fuel system. Some sediments, such as rust, are caused by the presence of water in fuel. Soltron's™ *action of removing water helps minimize the formation of non-organic sediment in fuel tanks. Soltron™ also reduces asphaltenes which can add to fuel degradation.

Soltron's™ enzymes are naturally powerful surfactants and dispersants. *Damaging fuel contaminants such as sludge, fungi, and mold are broken down and lose their ability to stick to tank walls and lines. *The resulting microscopic particulate is combusted, while larger contaminants are filtered out. *The elimination of microbial contamination reduces corrosive attack on fuel tanks, pumps, and injectors.

Soltron™ provides a variety of benefits for both "On Road" and "Off Road" fuels used in automotive, marine, stationary equipment and recreational vehicle engines. Soltron™ helps to eliminate water from your fuel system. Some sediments, such as rust, are caused by the presence of water in fuel. The action of Soltron™ in removing water helps minimize the formation of non-organic sediment in fuel tanks. Soltron™ enzymes prevent bacteria formation and growth at the fuel/water interface, helping to eliminate this troublesome contaminant.

Soltron™ acts to neutralize and control the formation of sulfur oxides during combustion. This significantly reduces the incidence of sulfuric acid formation and the related corrosive effects on engine components. Soltron™ enzymes weaken the structure of the hydrocarbon molecule in fuel to facilitate the reaction of carbon and oxygen during combustion. This results in a more complete combustion of fuel, restricting the formation of carbon residue and particulates.

During the long-term storage of all fuels, oxidation, heat, and moisture can affect the fuel’s stability, leading to the formation of gums, resins, and asphaltenes. These compounds cause sludge, and dramatically affect the fuel’s performance. Soltron™ will stabilize the fuel’s composition, dramatically improving long-term storage and performance.

Sounds like the mutz nutz..... A shame PBO found it didn't work. Don't think it fared too badly in the more recent test though.
 
DAKA said:
IHaving said that I have a lot of respect for HLB and if he says its good value I expect there must be something in it that works or perhaps as his boat is so well used his fuel was constantly been filtered anyway .
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I've had the bug a few time, very badly twice. Each time Soltron cured it. My mechanic was so impressed with it, he bought some off me for his chandlers shop, as did some forum members. It did not used to be available in small quantities till forum member Dom bottled it, but he was in Gurnsey.

Think PBO killed it off, so Dom stopped bottling it. Then I think Starbright or whoever started.

Story was, I went to Guernsey and met Dom, who gave me a bit of Soltron.

When I got back to Plymouth my mechanic asked. Whats happened to your smoke??

It had gone.

Most storage tanks are now treated with Soltron or others, so the problems dont happen as often now.
 
All great except for one little niggle I have remaining ...........


As you know I also used to run on Volvo ADAQ41s and know all about smoke and soot on the stern/tender.

Every time I returned from Guernsey (twice a year some seasons) I also noticed clean exhaust and clean stern which lasted all the way to the The Humber, after several UK red top ups however the old Volvo Pentas were once again painting my tender black.

I never added soltron in Guernsey, I concluded it was due to the fact that Guernsey was selling white road diesel (QE dock shares the same hose as the cars) which burnt cleaner .


I accept that your boat ran cleaner after the CIs however conclude the Guernsey high quality diesel may have effected the result more than the soltron.

Not sure enough to argue, Im still thinking.
 
Having read up on Soltron and its enzyme treatment, this may well break up the strands of fungusm stopping it blocking filters etc, which is obviously a good thing.

However, the idea of a diesel treatment is to kill the active fungus, which will breed in the water interface. I am therefore still not clear how Soltron PREVENTS the bug by killing it
 
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