cliffdale
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This was posted in an earlier thread. Saturday 13 Oct at 9.30pm
Plenty of ships to collide with.
Plenty of ships to collide with.
Missing yachtswoman in South west.
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alant
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This was posted in an earlier thread. Saturday 13 Oct at 9.30pm
Plenty of ships to collide with.
Don't forget the basking sharks!
lustyd
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Is this obvious? There are only two places I've seen "up to date charts". One is a chandlery and the other is in forum posts mostly written by people who have not updated their charts since they bought them (maybe you do, no offence intended). Come to think of it, the chandlery don't have up to date ones either, so this being obvious baffles me.
The cornish coast is made of granite, I've fallen on it plenty of times and can tell you that even if your chart was created in 1930 and never updated, the rocks will not have drifted or eroded all that much. The lights may have moved but these are available as a separate list anyway.
Appologies for thread drift, I agree charts are wise but can we please not pretend that we all spend hours updating them?
cliffdale
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lustyd
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This was posted in an earlier thread. Saturday 13 Oct at 9.30pm
Plenty of ships to collide with.
I count 18 in the 100 square miles around Lands End. That's not plenty, and they would be headed for the TSS anyway which can be clearly seen in this picture. If you look closely you can see the imaginary "motorway"
A1Sailor
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This was posted in an earlier thread. Saturday 13 Oct at 9.30pm
Plenty of ships to collide with.
Cliffdale,
Why did you include such a daft image in your post? The one you used, imho, covers such a large area in such a small scale that it is irrelevant.
Might it not have been more informative to have used these?
LittleSister
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You know the management at my workplace, then?
Or were you talking about the Government?
Seriously, though, is there a nice jargon name for this syndrome?
Grunter
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So the latest news is that the boat was not surveyed therefore unlikely to be insured and that she tried to employ a delivery skipper at the last minute. All very sad
It says that she left before a survey was carried out. Is it a requirement to have a new survey before getting insurance or will a current 'in-date' survey do?
lustyd
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It isn't a requirement to have insurance so the point is moot.
I believe, to answer the question, that it depends on which insurer you pick. The online one I had a quote from didn't even want a survey.
Robert Wilson
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Both the above points are correct, in my experience.
However, for my OWN peace of mind I would still have survey done regularly (interval to suit myself). I'm not a marine engineer and I can easily miss/be ignorant of perhaps important problems.
Robert Wilson
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You know the management at my workplace, then?
Seriously, though, is there a nice jargon name for this syndrome?
"Plan Jam"
"Directional Constipation"
"Blind Faith"
"Lateral Thinking Lassitude"
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Robert Wilson
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Anybody see Timothy Spall rounding The Lizard and Land's End (TV lat night)?
Sensible approach, considerable "PLAN" and great awareness of potential dangers. Well done for doing it the correct way.
Mind you, I wouldn't like to be in that sort of boat in much of a sea. Rounding Rattray Head (NE Scotland) in last year's programme made it look a tad unsuitable for risk-taking.
Sensible approach, considerable "PLAN" and great awareness of potential dangers. Well done for doing it the correct way.
Mind you, I wouldn't like to be in that sort of boat in much of a sea. Rounding Rattray Head (NE Scotland) in last year's programme made it look a tad unsuitable for risk-taking.
Wandering Star
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I didn't see the program but from your post it would appear you think the skipper had a sensible passage plan but in your opinion, an unsuitable boat for the particular passage? In your opinion then, which would be more important - to have a perfectly written passage plan or a seaworthy boat?
Cheers, Brian.
Robert Wilson
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Thanks Brian,
Ah. WELL yes.! It's still early in the morning, thank you for that wise observation.
I shall try and answer sensibly (but shall probably fail!)
IF I was going to sea in that type of boat, I think I'd attract some negative comments. But apparently The Princess Matilda (a barge) had made regular sea trips during the war, up the west coast of England and Wales. But don't hold me to exact time.
So perhaps his choice of boat wasn't as silly as I might have implied in my earlier thread (viz Rattray Head).
So, assuming his barge was SAFE to undertake the transit of Lizard/Land's End then he did a good job of planning/assessing/keeping a good awareness of potential problems developing whilst on the way.
By the way, I think a TV crew were in a helicopter much of the time watching over them !!!!
Have I managed to squirm "out fom under" with that?
Robert
jimi
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Having been nearly squashed by the Princess Matilda in the Helford a couple of years ago when she picked up the next buoy whilst waiting for the tide to get up to Gweek to overwinter, I can confirm she is not a unsubstantial craft! She's more like a small coaster than a river barge.
With regard to passage plan, I would'nt overcomplicate it cos with Lands end if you go outside Longships by a mile or so then its fairly simple. Spall was making TV for entertinment not instruction.
And I really don't understand all this about the inshore route being significantly shorter, according to my plotter, from the Runnel stone to the same point off Cape Cornwall the inshore route is only 0.8NM shorter than going outside Longships with a reasonable offing.
With regard to passage plan, I would'nt overcomplicate it cos with Lands end if you go outside Longships by a mile or so then its fairly simple. Spall was making TV for entertinment not instruction.
And I really don't understand all this about the inshore route being significantly shorter, according to my plotter, from the Runnel stone to the same point off Cape Cornwall the inshore route is only 0.8NM shorter than going outside Longships with a reasonable offing.
fisherman
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If you go inside the stone its considerably shorter: keep the old CG lookout windows just in view.
jimi
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my plotter says that from Mousehole to Cape Cornwall outside the Runnel and Longships is 2.5Nm longer than inside both.
bigwow
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Robert Wilson
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Steel barges / Princess Matilda.
Many thanks for that. Very interseting AND most appealing.
Did I read your narrative correctly that you built Princess Matilda for Tim and Shane? I thought I heard in the series when they went "up Wales and across to Ireland" that the boat had done wartime transportation up the west coast.
Please correct me if I'm wrong (has been KNOWN
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Many thanks for that. Very interseting AND most appealing.
Did I read your narrative correctly that you built Princess Matilda for Tim and Shane? I thought I heard in the series when they went "up Wales and across to Ireland" that the boat had done wartime transportation up the west coast.
Please correct me if I'm wrong (has been KNOWN
)bigwow
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Many thanks for that. Very interseting AND most appealing.
Did I read your narrative correctly that you built Princess Matilda for Tim and Shane? I thought I heard in the series when they went "up Wales and across to Ireland" that the boat had done wartime transportation up the west coast.
Please correct me if I'm wrong (has been KNOWN
I didn't build it, I just pointed you in the direction of the people who did.
