MIddle Aged Dread ?

At what age, forumites, do you consider yourselves 'middle aged'?

Looking forward to some interesting replies

Regards

Donald


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Some days are like Diamonds
Some days are Stone!

Tend not to think about my age or where I am on the sliding scale. When I was 49 I scared myself by thinking that 25 years previously I'd been 24 and that in another 25 I would be 74. This was to do with general reluctance to become involved in forthcoming half-century. I've never really thought about it since.
I'm much better at living for the day now - rather than talking about times past or looking forward/wishing my time away.

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Claymore
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not sure about the exact age
but fact
your friends always reach middle aged before you do

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Not so many years ago most people believed the earth was flat. None holding that belief ventured too far out to sea for fear of sailing off the edge and falling into the great abyss of death. Lacking knowledge of what existed beyond the horizon, most people lived lives limited by their acceptance of beliefs held by the culture of their time. Curiosity drove a few to sail beyond the horizon to discover that the edge most everyone feared had only existed within their beliefs.

In present day culture most people still fear sailing beyond the horizon of life over the edge we call death. and as we get older the reality gets closer so we take greater care.

serious stuff sailing

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Perhaps this says it all ... not just about looove but also about life in general partic the bit in bold ..


Some say love, it is a river that drowns the tender reed.
Some say love, it is a razor that leaves your soul to bleed.
Some say love, it is a hunger, an endless aching need.
I say love, it is a flower, and you it's only seed.

It's the heart, afraid of breaking, that never learns to dance.
It's the dream, afraid of waking, that never takes a chance.
It's the one who won't be taken, who cannot seem to give.
And the soul, afraid of dyin', that never learns to live.
When the night has been too lonely, and the road has been too long,
And you think that love is only for the lucky and the strong,
Just remember in the winter far beneath the bitter snows,
Lies the seed, that with the sun's love, in the spring becomes The Rose

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Re: And who pays for these Degrees

Well the parents do. HMG get the young Herberts educated in futile subjects. This keeps thousands of luke warm lecturers employed in "Universities" or Poly's as we knew them teaching kids who should really have never joined subjects that no employer wants. The real beauty is that middle englands parents pay for it all and the kids end up in debt.

Of course the 3-5% who should, and always did , go to university get places at worthwhile establishments and do well just like they always did. They are hoovered up by companies happy to settle the student loan account as a joining present.



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Sounds like something Denver sang with yin o' they tenners.
Bette Midler - nae wunder ye've always plenty o' wind aroon yer wings

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Claymore
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Re: And who pays for these Degrees

The funding of Higher Education in this country has changed. Most people would probably agree that it has not changed for the better. Entry into Higher Education through an alternative system to 'A' levels -i.e. the range of vocational courses offered by Colleges of Further Education has given a chance to thousands of students who would formerly have been denied that opportunity.
Your comment about 'thousands of lukewarm lecturers' is offensive and ill-informed. The majority of people employed in Further and Higher Education work hard and and do a good job. Career prospects for students who have demonstrated their ability to undergo/withstand academic rigour are still better than the prospects of young people who leave school at the end of Yr 11 to go into employment.
If you wish me to substantiate any of this - please send me a personal message where I would be happy to do so rather than expose the true depths of your ignorance and narrow mindedness to other members of the forum.

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Claymore
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Janis Joplin

From 'The Rose' - film about her life played and sung by Bette Midler?

Donald

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Re: Janis Joplin

Hmm - some similarities...?
Perhaps love is like a resting place, a shelter from the storm

It exists to give you comfort, it is there to keep you warm

And in those times of trouble when you are most alone

The memory of love will bring you home


Perhaps love is like a window, perhaps an open door

It invites you to come closer, it wants to show you more

And even if you lose yourself and don't know what to do

The memory of love will see you through


Love to some is like a cloud, to some as strong as steel

For some a way of living, for some a way to feel

And someone say love is holding on and some say letting go

And some say love is everything, and some say they don't know



Perhaps love is like the ocean, full of conflict, full of pain

Like a fire when it's cold outside, thunder when it rains

If I should live forever, and all my dreams come true

My memories of love will be of you



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Claymore
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Re: The Rose.

Remember going to the Odeon on Eglinton Toll in 197* to see that one.
Middle aged? Me?
Just worn extremely well.

Donald

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Next election

>I plan to make a fairly hefty bet on this government losing the next election.<

P'raps - but who to? My favourite scenario - no party with an overall majority.

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Re: ouch

Not sure there was a need to take quite such offence? But there we are - anyone tries to question the abilities of a teacher (or a nurse) in this country and the place is in uproar - they are Gods and Angels respectively.

But of course there are useless lecturers, same as there are useless workers in any other job. "Working hard" is similarly ineffective -what's better than an academic who "works hard"? - someone who is already more intelligent, or already a better teacher, surely? There's no marks for trying in that or any other sector.

In any event the discussion meandered to this point from discussion of whether the net product of universities (lots more graduates) was actually required by the country as a whole, or ultimately beneficial to all of the individuals. The idea that further education (or even all seciondary eductaion) is inevitably a good thing is exclusively discussed by those in education for whom of course, it's vital. But it is most certainly not vital for large swathes of occupatiojns for whom a little less presumption that "the brightest pupils" will inevitably be best served at university/college. In any event, one of the opportunities in tertiary education is to meet others with different viewpoints - and not tellem to shaddap if their views are different, surely?

A reasonable discussion covering delicate and subjective subjects was a bit (very) trampled. It wasn't offensive to you as an individual. If you or anyone has expertise and a different view, as always that's the time to join nand contribute, surely not to threaten to "expose their ignorance" . A teacher, more than anyone else, might possibly reconsider that form of words?

imho

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Re:Call it as I see it

The old chesnut about giving kids a chance they wouldn't have got before is cobblers. I left school at fifteen, expelled. With no qualifications. There was no stigma attached to having no qualifications then like there is now. The path I followed was clear and well trodden. You got a job, you did City & Guilds, ONC, HNC and then either a degree or a Institutions exams. You could cry off at any level or you could get letters after your name and job experience at the same time.

Half of the lecturers I met then were duds why's it changed now?

It's this education industry that needs bums on seats to fund it's self that is inventing soppy subjects for it's own ends. How many media studies grads are working in the media?

Three of my school mates were having a beer the other day and the brightest of us couldn't muster an A' level. We have all employed graduates and wept at how ill prepared they were for work.

The only reason we discussed it was because a guy who works for me in the holidays has just found his degree in Sports Science is not going to get him employed where as if he'd joined one of the sports companies management training schemes three years ago he could have been earning 30k today.

So never mind statistics the only areas of industry happy with the graduates being turn out today are the areas that a. hive of the brightest and b. recruit from among the technical science based subjects and even here they are worried about the number and quality of candidates.

I'm not ignorant or narrow minded I'm furious that an industry has sprung up around education that uses a mixture of marketing, blackmail and threat to sell residential, degree level further education to all. It has parents driving the joy out of their kids school days and glibbly consigns the none academics to a lesser place in a society that is crying out for real skills not theories.

Don't get me on to a subject I care about.



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Re: Next election

I suspect that our TCM has made that bet twice before and is trying to recover the the money lost on both occaisions?

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Life Expectancy of yachtsmen

I would reckon that most of us, with some years of experience, would make it through most problems encountered on the sea, particularly with all the electronic aids to help – and save us.

Although we do experience a form of fear sometimes, it is more like ‘hairy’ conditions rather than life threatening conditions. Probably, the thought of prolonged discomfort is more likely the reason to stay in port more often when we get older.

I do feel that man is a goal oriented animal and if we stop doing this we suffer in other ways , not immediately noticeable but nevertheless having a detrimental effect to the joy of living.

Have you seen elderly people at a bus stop ? It’s life or death to get on that bus and to hell with everything else. Oh my gawd, will we end up like that ?





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