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Heard someone point out that there are more yachts registered in countries that still use the imperial system than use the metric. True or false, I checked the origins of metric. If not interested, then skip.
About 1660, the Royal Society in London proposed that the many different units of length should be replaced by one which was the length of a pendulum with a period of one second. The French Abbe Mouton suggested instead a length based on a minute of latitude, but that was shelved because it was too long to be covenient. The whole project was being worked on (relating all mesaures to length) when someone called Richer found that the length of such a pendulum varied with latitude.
Then in 1790 a bum named talleyrand revived the whole system based on a French pendulum, then in 1791 changed that to measuring the earth's surface distance between pole and equator, thus avoiding a controversy between Newton and Descartes (actually, Newton turned out to be right) and they calculated this by triangulation and physical measurement between Dunkerque and Barcelona., starting 1n 1792. The trouble was that different surveyors got different answers, but they still went ahead.
Since that time the length of a metre has been altered many times because a satisfactory definition has never been achieved. Several platinum "metres" have existed.
In Oct 1960 another definition, this time based on 1,650,763.73 wavelengths of orange light in a void of Krypton 86.
1983, it changed again. Now it is the distance run by light in space in 1/299,792,458 of a second. Ah-aah, but define a second! It is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of radiation giving the diff between two superfine levels of the state of an atom of Caesium 133. Feel better now?
Now you understand why French boat factories market their 12 metre boats as (for example) the Garlic 40. In 300 years they have had to change the metre five times. In England a foot is still a foot is still a foot.
Hope this makes y'all feel better.
 
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Quite correct. But which metres? This year's next year's or wait until someone finds out that caesium isn'r caesium any more.?
Of course, a fathom is 1/1000 of a naut mile
a cable is 1/10 of a naut mile.
We had a system to base 10.
so: a foot is 1/6000 of a minute of latitude. But which minute?
Does my boat change length because some mathematician has screwed up?
 
Speaking of screwing up! Zero degrees Longitude has wandered about a bit as well. I saw a French chart from about 1905 which had the Meridian running through Paris..:D :D
 
When the Treaty of Washington (Washington???) fixed the zero meridian, the French had a fit of pique and refused to accept it, but used (I believe) the same line but related it some building in France. This was the subject of an obscure and hooligan after-dinner game played in the wardrooms of French naval ships when I was liaison officer to the French Fleet in Indo-China. All good natured and the injured were well treated.
Actually the French and British navies get on very well together, or did just after the war. In spite of Oran.
 
And it wandered again when WGS84 was introduced. It no longer passes exactly along the line at Greenwich...

Which line at Greenwich, as I remember it there are at least four lines at Greenwich.

The reality is that the meridian at Greenwich has wandered a trifle over the centuries.
 
Heard someone point out that there are more yachts registered in countries that still use the imperial system than use the metric. True or false, I checked the origins of metric. If not interested, then skip.
About 1660, the Royal Society in London proposed that the many different units of length should be replaced by one which was the length of a pendulum with a period of one second. The French Abbe Mouton suggested instead a length based on a minute of latitude, but that was shelved because it was too long to be covenient. The whole project was being worked on (relating all mesaures to length) when someone called Richer found that the length of such a pendulum varied with latitude.
Then in 1790 a bum named talleyrand revived the whole system based on a French pendulum, then in 1791 changed that to measuring the earth's surface distance between pole and equator, thus avoiding a controversy between Newton and Descartes (actually, Newton turned out to be right) and they calculated this by triangulation and physical measurement between Dunkerque and Barcelona., starting 1n 1792. The trouble was that different surveyors got different answers, but they still went ahead.
Since that time the length of a metre has been altered many times because a satisfactory definition has never been achieved. Several platinum "metres" have existed.
In Oct 1960 another definition, this time based on 1,650,763.73 wavelengths of orange light in a void of Krypton 86.
1983, it changed again. Now it is the distance run by light in space in 1/299,792,458 of a second. Ah-aah, but define a second! It is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of radiation giving the diff between two superfine levels of the state of an atom of Caesium 133. Feel better now?
Now you understand why French boat factories market their 12 metre boats as (for example) the Garlic 40. In 300 years they have had to change the metre five times. In England a foot is still a foot is still a foot.
Hope this makes y'all feel better.

When I was stationed in Northern Army Group, Rheindahlen, in the 1960s German plumbers were still using what we call imperial measure for the sizes of copper pipe, taps etc. I understood that this was because the only manufacturers at the time were the Yorkshire Imperial Metal Company.
The UK has recently won the right from the EU to continue using miles, pints etc., alongside metric measures. I believe this is forever.
Look here http://home.clara.net/brianp/ametric.html for a bit of fun.
A while ago drivers were advised that road works on the St Budeaux Bypass, Plymouth, were 1km ahead and the contractors were ordered to change the signs into statute miles.
 
Yes, my education has included the SI system, as well as FPS (foot, pound, second), MKS (metre, kilogramme, second) and CGS (centimetre, gram, second). My favourite is FFF though, where all measurements are related back to furlongs, firkins and fortnights. That means, for instance, that the unit of measurement for acceleration is furlongs per square fortnight.:D
 
That's right it's 0.3048 metres! :D:D:D
Correct. Not just to four decimal places, but by definition, exactly 0.3048 m. So if the metre changes, so does the foot.

Some may find the conversion between imperial and metric measures of length easier to remember, not to mention easier to enter correctly into the calculator, in the more familiar form of 1 inch = 25.4 mm.
 
pipes

When we built our first live-aboard boat, I was obliged to do the plumbing in metric copper pipes.
When we got to Italy, some amendments were necessary. I went along to the plumbers in San Remo and, no, they did not have copper pipes in cemtimetres. Didn't I know that the English had invented modern plumbing and that I could have half-inch inside copper pipe but I could not have 15mm ext. Could I find an adapter piece? Could I hell.
Today all galvanised piping is in inches British Standard Piping.
In France, I asked a fitter who was turning up something on a lathe why he was working in "t;ousands"
Because this is the thinnest that one can cut from mild steel without damaging the layer.
When I needed a new three inch shaft bearing for another boat, I could not buy one in England. But I got one from Germany off the shelf.
At a tech college in France, where they were discussing threads, the lecturer said that the Whitworth thread was designed to suit the metallurgy of mild steel, and BSF was for hardened steel. He told the class that the metric system had had to adopt the same criteria.
We have a lot to be proud of in our engineering pioneering. I grieve over having to give way to the second-raters who followed.
 
have you noticed that all the mile markers on UK motorways have been quietly replaced by kilometre based signs?

If you mean the central reservation markers, they have always been 100m apart. (Very useful for calibrating your speedometer pre GPS days using a sweep second clock. Pick a quiet time on a flat motorway, sit at a constant indicated 120 kph (about 75 mph) and if the speedo is bang on you should pass exactly 20 markers in a minute. Most speedos read a bit "fast"... )

The distance signs, OTOH, are universally in miles.

Why the UK embarked down the metrication route then stopped half way is one of life's many little puzzles.
 
Why the UK embarked down the metrication route then stopped half way is one of life's many little puzzles.

At least we didn't go quite as far as the Irish, where speed is measured in miles per hour and distance in kilometres. Irish cars have a unique instrument pack with mph speedo and kilometre odometer. Three other packs are sufficient to cover all the rest of the world.
 
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