Mercruiser V8 MPI unburnt fuel and massive power loss

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Hi guys
Posting in the slim hope that there is an MPI Merc or GXI Volvo expert on here or someone has had the same issue.
At the risk of sounding gallas...I’m not new to the GM engine and might also boast that I spent 10 years as a marine engineer on rather larger vessels...but these new fangled electrically biased MPI engines are and have been troublesome on occasion to me.
The symptoms...
Boat has not generally been running to full potential for the last season or more, but frustratingly only intermittently making it difficult to diagnose on an amateur level. At further risk of coming across a smart arse, I’m fairly well aware that the MPI and GXI are well known for certain faults like Diz cap, IAC, TPS and others. I’ve been through these problems early days and rather foolishly thought I was one of the best placed to judge and diagnose faults on these engines...often giving fine advice to others on faults I have already been through.
So....the boat was running well this evening and even managed into the 60’s gps after replacing the Diz cap and plugs last week. Vast improvement from a steady 52/53gps the months before hand, causing original concern. At this time she was defo just lacking that top end grunt she used to have. As I say the power loss was not all the time. But...tonight, after running well and as mentioned into the 60’s with hood up and dirty hull...I was so pleased....only to be almost to the point of getting a tow home an hour later. She lost significant power and almost failed to plane. I turned the straight through exhausts on to listen to it out each side (4 stbd cylinders exit from one side, 4 port the other) and she was defo down on at least one, if not 3 cylinders out the port bank. Also an alarming smell of unburnt fuel and even rainbow in the water from the fuel. So logic would tell me it’s an ignition problem.
All leads in place...all leads on Diz cap. Diz cap 2 weeks old. Plugs the same. Oil in sump stinks of fuel. Clearly washing down past rings. Pretty sure not down on compression, but what else could cause no ignition on only 1-3 cylinders on one side of the V. It’s a common ignition coil. Obviously going to try the basics tomorrow with testing spark etc.
Just posting in the slight hope someone has come across this before. As with all MPI owners..it’s a steady learning curve of known faults...I thought I was well versed but clearly not.
Thanks in advance.
 
Umm, I'm no expert on these engines but I would be starting with a compression test.
It could be that something mechanical (piston ring?) has broken on that bank.
Fuel pump could also be an issue.

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Thanks flower power. I’d love to think it isn’t down on compression after the way it’s been looked after, but it has crossed my mind. Almost scared to do so. I don’t think it’s the fuel pump either (there are 2) only because it’s clearly throwing fuel in there, but just not burning it.
 
Sorry not much good on V8s of any fuel type. But if the engine was fine and then a few hours later rough and weak and stinking of petrol I would go to ignition first. Sounds like plenty of go-juice going in, it's just not burning. You don't need much compression on a petrol engine to make it go.

However a long time ago I worked (I was a green graduate so work might be overstating things) for Jaguar when they still made fabulous V12 engines. If they had an ignition problem on a V12 they were a bu@@er to identify. Massive central dizi cap and half a mile of HV leads. But a wise man told me to run it when its really dark at night (must be really dark) and you can see where the electricity is leaking out - you get blue flashes that you can't see in daylight.

Might be worth a try to see where the HV is tracking......
 
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The rotor arm may need replacing if it’s now not fully connecting with those lost cylinders?

Did you change the condenser as well ?

It’s that little thing bolted on the outside of the Diz .

Pic is a carburettor V8 of one of my Ferrari .
A coil for each bank in this case .
So if a coil goes it’s pretty obvious.

Unlikely but worth eliminating- If the whole body has worked loose the entire Diz not just the cap then the timing goes out - they run rough even a tiny amount of rotation.

If there’s Electronic ig module this can go too , or have poor connection issues .
Has this got wet today ?

Could just have got a bit wet whole thing .
See if it runs ok tomorrow after it’s dried out ?
 
Morning all
Pleased to report back on this and inform that you were all on the right track.
As we suspected it was an ignition problem. As I didn’t expect, it turned out to be the new Diz cap at fault. I replaced it with the old worn one as a last ditch effort before a dreaded compression test. Fired on all 8 straight away. I’m aware these mpi Diz caps ( commonly known as crap caps) have their issues, but wasn’t expecting after only an hour or two. Was the number 7 lack of spark. It still looks brand new In all aspects and no cracks etc. I’ve written to re power marine to inform them.
Thanks to all !
 
Portofino

I’m suspecting that Ferrari is a rather lovely one...jeleous isn’t the word ! What model is she ?
 
Morning all
Pleased to report back on this and inform that you were all on the right track.
As we suspected it was an ignition problem. As I didn’t expect, it turned out to be the new Diz cap at fault. I replaced it with the old worn one as a last ditch effort before a dreaded compression test. Fired on all 8 straight away. I’m aware these mpi Diz caps ( commonly known as crap caps) have their issues, but wasn’t expecting after only an hour or two. Was the number 7 lack of spark. It still looks brand new In all aspects and no cracks etc. I’ve written to re power marine to inform them.
Thanks to all !

Thankfully I wasn’t on the right track at all!!
Cheap fixes - we like those :D
 
Morning all
Pleased to report back on this and inform that you were all on the right track.
As we suspected it was an ignition problem. As I didn’t expect, it turned out to be the new Diz cap at fault. I replaced it with the old worn one as a last ditch effort before a dreaded compression test. Fired on all 8 straight away. I’m aware these mpi Diz caps ( commonly known as crap caps) have their issues, but wasn’t expecting after only an hour or two. Was the number 7 lack of spark. It still looks brand new In all aspects and no cracks etc. I’ve written to re power marine to inform them.
Thanks to all !

Glad it was an easy fix QB, but not glad to hear the new cap failed so soon! Hope you get sorted with a replacement asap.
You'd think by now Mercruiser, given all their bad internet press, would have built themselves, or had someone else build for them, a more robust diz cap?
I suppose there is no ongoing return on parts that don't continue to fail
 
Thanks all

Just picking this up again now.

Portofino....my word. Speechless. One of my favourite cars ever. I’m car silly. Is the one in the video actially yours and or is that perhaps you in the video ? I’ve seen that YouTube clip a few times and subscribe to drive channel.
 
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