petem
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SCM is Go to Jail
Oooh, that's harsh Mike!
Med Marina Suggestions/Costs
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Oooh, that's harsh Mike!
Hurricane
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But you don't have to pay 200 quid to get out!!!
jfm
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correct- it's £2,000
Portofino
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correct- it's £2,000
Rtn or one way ? ( Baldricks )
So the SY density, not saying it’s the be all and end all just something in the basket of measures on a mixed score card , which is linked to Deleted User point of accessibility.
Empty berths ? Another measure or spinning that around the waiting list situation .
Recognise emptiness of the neighbours berth might be seen as advantageous,in practical purposes like turn your boat side ways to polish or park your tender alongside but I would be suspicious why the place is not full .
Blue Sunray
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Actually I'd be pretty bloody impressed if somebody on here announced they were permanently berthed in Albania
I had the 'pleasure' of working in Albania a few years ago, including some time around Vlorë, it's absolutely stunning place. If they ever get law and order sorted out I'd love to be based there.
petem
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I don't think there's any need for suspicion. The pros and cons of the place are well documented so it's up to people whether the pros outweigh the cons.
Hurricane
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You need to do the sums.
And this isn't Mn Maths!!
Just work out how many trips you can do for the saving in berthing in the Baldricks.
And on the way, you can pick the destination.
I mean - If the weather is favourable for the north coast of Mallorca, we go there on the way - like in my last video.
How much fuel would you use to get to the north coast form (say) Cala D'Or.
Another example - Sant Carles is Portinatx in Ibiza is 98 miles. - Cala D'Or to Portinatx is 84 miles.
OK so the difference is a BIT further and more so if we were heading for the south corner of Mallorca.
But my point is that any extra fuel saving by berthing in the Baldricks is outweighed MANY TIMES OVER by the extra berthing costs.
I believe that Cala D'Or is a bit empty in the winter months - IMO more so than Sant Carles.
There are other savings by keeping a boat on the mainland.
On average, we drive out once a year meaning that we can supply the boat with spares etc from the UK.
This year, I invested in a box trailer to get stuff back and forth - it enabled us to replace the large galley fridge by sourcing one in the UK before we went.
Many berth holders actually keep their cars there during the summer months.
So, back to Monopoly
Advance to Go and DO collect 200 pounds on the way.
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MapisM
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If I may throw a bit of lateral thinking into the accessibility/prices/mozzies/whatever debate, imho the crucial point is that - as the old saying goes - home is where the heart is.
We spent more than a decade cruising the Adriatic, and by coincidence we're back right now.
It's a lovely sea, with plenty to offer, and we have fond memories of the time we spent there. Hopefully, we'll add some more this summer.
But, and it's a big but, we never found a place which made us feel at home.
Now, after more than another decade in CF, there's one thing I know for sure.
It's neither the beautiful sea, nor prices or anything else.
The reason why, while going down the Ryanair 737 ladder after landing in Cagliari, we always feel like coming back home is mostly down to people.
We didn't go there for that reason btw (we knew nobody, back in 2006), but by now that's the place where most of our best friends are.
And where else should a man live, if not near/together the best friends...? :encouragement:
We spent more than a decade cruising the Adriatic, and by coincidence we're back right now.
It's a lovely sea, with plenty to offer, and we have fond memories of the time we spent there. Hopefully, we'll add some more this summer.
But, and it's a big but, we never found a place which made us feel at home.
Now, after more than another decade in CF, there's one thing I know for sure.
It's neither the beautiful sea, nor prices or anything else.
The reason why, while going down the Ryanair 737 ladder after landing in Cagliari, we always feel like coming back home is mostly down to people.
We didn't go there for that reason btw (we knew nobody, back in 2006), but by now that's the place where most of our best friends are.
And where else should a man live, if not near/together the best friends...? :encouragement:
petem
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Aren't you supposed to be looking out for lobster pots instead of posting here during the day?! There's a English saying "home is where the heart is" that chimes with what you are saying. Incidentally, Gozo is where I've always felt a second home and it's similar in many ways to Carloforte (and also where I saw my first Targa but that's purely coincidental).
s50cam
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Just in regard to speeding in France.
I make the journey from Coquelles to St Tropez around 6 times a year. The camera tolerance is tight but the Gendarmes are generally more lenient, I was told and found they are less likely to be bothered to pull you if its the lower fine rate (less than 20km higher than the speed limit).
I stick around 142 kmh and reduce a little when my Tomtom suggests there is an upcoming 'safety zone' and have never had a ticket in years and passed many police traps.
With the toll to toll, again 'I was told' its a myth and that the police plot up 'hidden' 5-10k before a toll, I've seen this many times and certainly seems to be the case.
I make the journey from Coquelles to St Tropez around 6 times a year. The camera tolerance is tight but the Gendarmes are generally more lenient, I was told and found they are less likely to be bothered to pull you if its the lower fine rate (less than 20km higher than the speed limit).
I stick around 142 kmh and reduce a little when my Tomtom suggests there is an upcoming 'safety zone' and have never had a ticket in years and passed many police traps.
With the toll to toll, again 'I was told' its a myth and that the police plot up 'hidden' 5-10k before a toll, I've seen this many times and certainly seems to be the case.
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Deleted User YDKXO
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And there was me thinking that Oundle was your spiritual home
MapisM
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LOL, glad to hear that I did pick the correct EN saying in my previous post (see first para)…!
Ref. being on watch for lobster pots, hey, I did say that we were going to take our time, didn't I?
We are still in the same bay of which I posted some pics in the other thread, and feeling just too lazy to turn the engines on again…
Though possibly this afternoon we'll cross the Kvarner Gulf, if we'll feel like it. Or maybe tomorrow. Or one of the next days, we'll see!
With these bloody fast boats, you just arrive anywhere before you know it…
petem
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LOL, glad to hear that I did pick the correct EN saying in my previous post (see first para)…!
Sorry, occupational hazard of posting when on a conference call!
PEJ
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As someone has already alluded to it is all Horses for Courses. I pay 30K for a 60footer in Cala D'Or but my fuel bill is negligible. I haven't bought any so far this year. This is because I am quite happy to visit one of the 7 superb anchoring spots that are within 5 miles of the marina entrance and if the sea is flat I pootle those 5 miles at 9 to 10 knts.
Cala D'Or is not empty of boats in the winter but the "resort" shuts down and the restaurant choices become smaller but I actually like having the place to myself in the winter.
Hurricane - will you share with us your fuel spend per season so we can compare?
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Its not just extra fuel spend but higher maintenance and depreciation costs caused by the higher hours commuting to the Baldricks and back. I suspect that it still makes financial sense to berth in SCM but whether thats worth the stress of watching the weather constantly for the offshore passages I dunno. All I know is that when we berthed in Denia and started commuting to the Baldricks and back, I quickly came to the conclusion that I'd rather pay the extra to berth in the Baldricks. Each to his own and there is no right answer to this
adey
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It might make sense if you have a 67 footer and three months at a time in Spain but with a 37 footer and long weekends, 'hopping' to the baldricks is not viable. Each to their own.
petem
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Yep, 50 miles from Denia we could go to 'Beefa' for lunch.
Hurricane
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Point taken
However, when I was buying a second hand boat, it seemed that 100 hours a year history was about right for good usage.
Charter boats seemed to be more.
JW is 10 years old and has just had her 1000 hr service.
In fact, she is still just under the 1000 hrs.
That makes an average of 100 hrs p.a. even with the cruising back and forth to the Baldricks.
Portofino
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Actually Hurricanes put fwd for him and his boat some compelling rational for a berth @ SCM .
The mainland/ landline / autoroute.
As mentioned in a 67 it’s easier than most to cross .
Also the fun of true boating in the sense of passage planning , watching the weather , anchoring off and thinking on the hoof on a daily basis , a degree of inbuilt self sufficiency ( photoelectric charging ) .
This depreciation arguement is a dead duck in my view , they cost €€€ in every way and as said 1000 hrs is ok , it’s there to be used .
The mainland/ landline / autoroute.
As mentioned in a 67 it’s easier than most to cross .
Also the fun of true boating in the sense of passage planning , watching the weather , anchoring off and thinking on the hoof on a daily basis , a degree of inbuilt self sufficiency ( photoelectric charging ) .
This depreciation arguement is a dead duck in my view , they cost €€€ in every way and as said 1000 hrs is ok , it’s there to be used .
Hurricane
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Difficult to be accurate - it varies from year to year.
But I've just looked in my log book and since the beginning of 2016 it has been 16,700 litres inc this year's recent trip.
More importantly, that includes local trips on the mainland - Roses, Barcelona etc.
So that is about two and a half seasons - so that 6670 litres - after a discount, we have been paying fractionally over £1 per litre (it is a bit more now).
So, say £7K p.a
Now lets add the berthing costs.
We paid about £75,000 for the berth in Sant Carles for 30 years.
It is probably worth a little less than that now but lets depreciate it completely over the whole 30 years.
That makes it £2500 p.a.
Our service charge has increased over the 10 years that we have been there from just under £2000 to about £2500 now (inc electricity, water, car parking etc).
We also get cheap lifts etc into the boatyard and one free lift/pressure wash.
So, that makes the totals as follows:-
Fuel £7000
Berth £2500
Service £2500
Total £12000 p.a.
Remember that is a for a floating pontoon style 20m berth that can take a 22m boat.
Now compare that in Mallorca - and you do need to factor in some fuel - I assume you want to go to other places - your boat is very capable.
But you will see that the sums are very different.