Med Marina Suggestions/Costs

Portofino said:
Actually Hurricanes put fwd for him and his boat some compelling rational for a berth @ SCM .
The mainland/ landline / autoroute.
As mentioned in a 67 it’s easier than most to cross .
Also the fun of true boating in the sense of passage planning , watching the weather , anchoring off and thinking on the hoof on a daily basis , a degree of inbuilt self sufficiency ( photoelectric charging ) .
This depreciation arguement is a dead duck in my view , they cost €€€ in every way and as said 1000 hrs is ok , it’s there to be used .
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Thanks - thats my thoughts.
I have one other advantage over other boat owners.
I retired early and have the time to do this stuff.
Enjoyable but I do appreciate that others are "time poor".
 
£2500 pa for a 20m mooring, thats only a bit more than I pay for a 7m mooring in mallorca.

That is really good value.
 
julians said:
£2500 pa for a 20m mooring, thats only a bit more than I pay for a 7m mooring in mallorca.

That is really good value.
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I assume you mean the service charge.
I was quoting the £2500 from memory.
In fact it is cheaper than that.
The £2500 that I had remembered included the service charge for my paniol (storage shed).
SCM charge us a quarterly fee and then correct it during the following year.
So, last year (including the correction that was charged this year) was 2528.58 euros (less than £2250).
 
Hurricane said:
I assume you mean the service charge.
I was quoting the £2500 from memory.
In fact it is cheaper than that.
The £2500 that I had remembered included the service charge for my paniol (storage shed).
SCM charge us a quarterly fee and then correct it during the following year.
So, last year (including the correction that was charged this year) was 2528.58 euros (less than £2250).
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Actually i meant your 2500 for the berth, im paying about 2k per year for a 7m berth on the same basis as yours ( ie buy the lease and spread the cost of the lease over 20 years)
 
I have just got back from 10 days moving from Altea to Cambrills en route to France, I have done a year in Alicante, Altea, Denia and Valencia as well as several years in Mallorca.

I did stop in SCM and did not like it, my boat party also agreed that SCM was the worst stop for us out of 6 different marinas.
If you are looking for a cheap car park with great flights why not look at Valencia, I would pick this before SCM all day long and is cheaper and better connected.

If cost is not too much of an issue then we would do Altea as its close to Albir which has loads of very cheap excellent restaurants and is open all year round and easy to get to from Alicante, except not great anchor spots like Mallorca but thats the compromise.

Anyway Cambrills is very nice and 20 euros to Reus airport, a lovely town with excellent holiday feel, quite reasonable for a year and a great holiday feel, not sure what its like in winter?
 
I like Albir but prefer Altea and Javea. horses for courses. San Carles is OK,
worst place we ever went was Goole. Mind the lock was very impressive. As was the lack of water. You don't moor as such, if you get the tide wrong it's more like parking. Once went aground just under the M180 bridge, if you give it the beans there, you accelerate really quick through the mud. On the upside it's close to the jelly baby factory.
 
Hurricane said:
Difficult to be accurate - it varies from year to year.
But I've just looked in my log book and since the beginning of 2016 it has been 16,700 litres inc this year's recent trip.
More importantly, that includes local trips on the mainland - Roses, Barcelona etc.
So that is about two and a half seasons - so that 6670 litres - after a discount, we have been paying fractionally over £1 per litre (it is a bit more now).
So, say £7K p.a

Now lets add the berthing costs.
We paid about £75,000 for the berth in Sant Carles for 30 years.
It is probably worth a little less than that now but lets depreciate it completely over the whole 30 years.
That makes it £2500 p.a.
Our service charge has increased over the 10 years that we have been there from just under £2000 to about £2500 now (inc electricity, water, car parking etc).
We also get cheap lifts etc into the boatyard and one free lift/pressure wash.
So, that makes the totals as follows:-

Fuel £7000
Berth £2500
Service £2500
Total £12000 p.a.

Remember that is a for a floating pontoon style 20m berth that can take a 22m boat.
Now compare that in Mallorca - and you do need to factor in some fuel - I assume you want to go to other places - your boat is very capable.
But you will see that the sums are very different.
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Mallorca is indeed very different. Have been keeping a spreadsheet now of my costs. I choose Portals as 15 min from Palma airport, which means we have left our front door in England and arrived at the boat in 4.5 hours (only managed that twice when we left lateish and the flight was on time). For my costs I bought the 15m mooring last year (€350,000) and it also goes to 2031. So €23,000pa. Mooring sold early this year for €400,000 so it may not depreciate depending on demand, I sold a 12m mooring that I owned for 1 year for a 25% profit :). Although after lawyer fees, etc it was nearer 5%.

Other costs on top are concession, port expense and water/electricity. That will add another €9,000 (based on this years concession fee). So to moor the boat a total of €32,000pa (inc IVA). For the boat to be looked after (washed twice a month), hull cleaned, anodes replaced and engine service was €8000. Fuel is a tank full for the year so about €2000.

Thats my costs for a year. This calendar year it will be a bit more as boat will be lifted twice (only once last year as was new).
 
Is Portals really 15 mins from the airport? I do fancy Portals as we can get our boat on a 10m mooring for about £8k p.a. all in. The thing that puts me slightly off Portals is the price of the restaurants. IIRC a full English was about €12 from Cappucino or whatever it's called (it was very good though)! Oh, and the orange Germans as Deleted User always reminds me.
 
petem said:
Is Portals really 15 mins from the airport? I do fancy Portals as we can get our boat on a 10m mooring for about £8k p.a. all in. The thing that puts me slightly off Portals is the price of the restaurants. IIRC a full English was about €12 from Cappucino or whatever it's called (it was very good though)! Oh, and the orange Germans as Deleted User always reminds me.
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According to google maps it is 15 miles. Now (with some red and orange traffic lines) it states 24 min. In less than a minute from getting on a taxi you are on the motorway. At the end another minute from the motorway is portals. It has never taken us more than 30 minutes when we have gone in rush hour. Possibly less than 15 mins when the roads are clear. So alot of the time we would land around 9:30pm and at that time 15 mins is quite possible.

Restaurants are pricey but you can always go up to the village - portals nous - where they are cheaper. Flanigans not bad for breakfast either. Howe er in summer months I am never hungry in the mornings.

Germans quickly disappeared after their world cup exit :)

Ironically I am not 'time critical' now so could moor elsewhere, but lots of anchoring spots within 10 mins of port.
 
petem said:
Is Portals really 15 mins from the airport? I do fancy Portals as we can get our boat on a 10m mooring for about £8k p.a. all in. The thing that puts me slightly off Portals is the price of the restaurants. IIRC a full English was about €12 from Cappucino or whatever it's called (it was very good though)! Oh, and the orange Germans as Deleted User always reminds me.
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On a good day portals is 15 mins from the airport, probably more like 20-25 mins on average though.

Regarding full english breakfast, either walk into portals nous (5mins) or take your boat over to palma nova and take the tender to one of many many full english type establishments.
 
TonyR123 said:
Thats my costs for a year. This calendar year it will be a bit more as boat will be lifted twice (only once last year as was new).
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This is very dangerous talk! Dont forget that there might be SWMBOs out there lurking
 
I wouldn’t say anywhere in Portals was cheap but there are some that aren’t what I would call expensive either. Reeves’ pricing for drinks is sane, possibly why I got thoroughly bladdered watching the F1 in there a couple of years back, and Diablitos has decent food and drinks again at sensible prices. The restaurants in Portals Nous vary from reasonably cheap through to fairly expensive, there’s also some really nice places a short taxi ride away.
 
I stopped in Sotogrande about 5 years ago for 1 night.
It was a ghost town there were loads of empty berths and no one around, the hotel looked nice but the marina and surrounding area was dead and this was in August! If thats the area I would look at Benamadena or if you have the budget I would opt for Puerto Banus which we also stopped at and thought it was great and went back in October and was still quite busy for that time of the year.
 
Truro Ex Pat said:
I stopped in Sotogrande about 5 years ago for 1 night.
It was a ghost town there were loads of empty berths and no one around, the hotel looked nice but the marina and surrounding area was dead and this was in August! If thats the area I would look at Benamadena or if you have the budget I would opt for Puerto Banus which we also stopped at and thought it was great and went back in October and was still quite busy for that time of the year.
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PB great for people watching but there's an awful lot of dodgy people hanging around the front. My preference in that area would have to be La Duquesa.
 
petem said:
PB great for people watching but there's an awful lot of dodgy people hanging around the front. My preference in that area would have to be La Duquesa.
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I have to second La Duquesa. Pretty marina, good choice of bars and restaurants open all year, shops within walking distance. Big plus is the excellent marina staff.
 
Hurricane said:
We always head for My Thai when we anchor on Palmanova
http://mythai.es/
Not cheap but food is good.
That would be a 1.8 mile walk from Portals - or just over a mile from where we leave the tenders at the Magaluf end of Palmanova.
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Seconded, very nice place.

Casa Jacinto in Genova is a short taxi ride from Portals and is one we always visit for their hot stone steak.
 
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