Gerry
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Good Grief! Is it really? But don't you get longer entertainment for your money at a football match?
I have been away from the UK for a long time, obviously far more out of touch than I thought ....
Mary Rose museum opens in Portsmouth at cost of £35m
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Good Grief! Is it really? But don't you get longer entertainment for your money at a football match?
I have been away from the UK for a long time, obviously far more out of touch than I thought ....
Georgio
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I would like to go see it again, last time was probably 10 years ago and there is much more to see now (from the TV reports).
When you consider that the ticket allows re-entry into the docyard for the rest of the year it's good value I think.
Easy to say that the museum is a waste of money but this sort of attraction does bring a lot of visitor money both to Portsmouth and the UK.
When you consider that the ticket allows re-entry into the docyard for the rest of the year it's good value I think.
Easy to say that the museum is a waste of money but this sort of attraction does bring a lot of visitor money both to Portsmouth and the UK.
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Ex-SolentBoy
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Absolutely. Better boat, better city, better price.
Tranona
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Good value if you take full advantage of it. Far too much to see in one day. We did 2 days with the grandchildren and still did not see everything.
Sandyman
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You could spend a week in there and not see everything. Thats why the yearly pass is such good vfm. Not much use to day visitors but if
you're reasonably local, as we were, its brilliant.
In 2007 the Oakleaf Brewery in Goport brewed 250 bottles of 9.5% ''Raise a Glass'' ale to commemorate the 25th anniversary
of the raising of Mary Rose. Bottle No 170 will be scuppered tomorrow to celebrate opening of the new museum
epervier
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Just a bit of banter, no offence meant
Well, being that your located in Devon, hardly surprising you're out of touch, Devon's never left the 1950's
Well, being that your located in Devon, hardly surprising you're out of touch, Devon's never left the 1950's
DanTribe
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Why all the fuss? She wasn't a very good ship, sinking without outside assistance, allegedly.
Meanwhile a perfectly serviceable aircraft carrier is towed away to be chopped up by another country.
Meanwhile a perfectly serviceable aircraft carrier is towed away to be chopped up by another country.
sailorman
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Why all the fuss? She wasn't a very good ship, sinking without outside assistance, allegedly.
Meanwhile a perfectly serviceable aircraft carrier is towed away to be chopped up by another country.
The Mary Rose wasnt contaminated with Asbestos
greggron
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A few years back I bought a family ticket for the year for wife and me and our two girls. It included a boat trip around the naval dock, entry to Victory and Warrior, entry to the Mary Rose as well as the other museum attractions like the helicopter simulator and climbing wall. They loved it and asked to go often. We must have spent at least 5 whole days on the site. Great value.
prr
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This is bull****!
longjohnsilver
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Well, being that your located in Devon, hardly surprising you're out of touch, Devon's never left the 1950's
And all the better for that
Woodlouse
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It was an appalling boat. It only got a mile before sinking. The Mary Rose did thirty years.
Anyway, I've seen the Vasa, and as impressive as it is, it won't stop me going to see the Mary Rose one day.
Nerissa
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We've had two full days at the Historic Dockyard on our family ticket and are good for two or three more at least before we run out of stuff to see. Even my sullen teenagers enjoyed the Victory. Worth the money imo.
nimbusgb
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No wonder it's £72!
Elessar
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flippin eck if some of you yotties won the lottery you'd moan about the colour of the cheque.
In some of your cases before the cheque even arrives.
Can't wait to see it myself, I sometimes just go and walk round the dockyard (which is free) but I will go to this new museum at least once.
In some of your cases before the cheque even arrives.
Can't wait to see it myself, I sometimes just go and walk round the dockyard (which is free) but I will go to this new museum at least once.
AntarcticPilot
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I've visited the Mary Rose, and still remember watching them recover her! I've also read some of the technical accounts of her archaeology.
First of all, she represents a transitional point in the development of warships - she was either the first or a very early ship to be equipped with guns on a gun-deck, operating through ports in a carvel hull. In other words, she's the direct ancestor of the Victory. Before her, ships were platforms on which you fought a land battle; after her, battles wwere fought between ships.
Second, she gives us a window into the way ships were built in Tudor times - so she tells us how the ships that fought the Armada were built and manned. Barring a few later theoretical manuals on ship-building (which weren't actually used by ship-builders), she represents pretty much what we know about that era in ship-building.
Third, she represents a precisely dated time-capsule. The remains of the crew tell us more about the general health and so on of the population at large than anything else can; the artefacts provide unique insights into everyday items from the time. Excavations of graveyards don't tell us about healthy people! Mostly we simply don't have other representatives of the items preserved in the Mary Rose. For example, there was precisely ONE arrow from the period preserved (by accident) and I don't think there were any bows; Mary Rose provided hundreds of arrows and many bows, so now we know far more about mediaeval archery and its capabilities. So, we can understand how battles like Agincourt and Crecy actually happened. Archery was still an important component of warfare in Henry VIII's day; Henry himself was noted as an archer.
Finally, she was a successful ship. She had a long life before she sank, and was uniformly praised for her performance during her life-time. Yes, she was probably only marginally stable - but at least she didn't sink on her maiden voyage like the Vasa! In fact, her loss is widely attributed to mistakes made by the crew; it seems she sank because the gun-ports weren't closed before a turn that left the open ports to leeward. The last words of the commander were to the effect that "I have the sort of knaves that cannot be governed" or something similar! She may well have been carrying more guns in the castles than normal on her final voyage as well; she was expecting to fight a battle close to her home port.
The Vasa is a wonderfully preserved ship of a later period, but she was known to be unstable before she even left the dock, and I doubt many people were surprised when she sank. But Vasa represents ship-building design and practise a hundred years later than Mary Rose, when many of the concepts first tried in Mary Rose had become established practise.
First of all, she represents a transitional point in the development of warships - she was either the first or a very early ship to be equipped with guns on a gun-deck, operating through ports in a carvel hull. In other words, she's the direct ancestor of the Victory. Before her, ships were platforms on which you fought a land battle; after her, battles wwere fought between ships.
Second, she gives us a window into the way ships were built in Tudor times - so she tells us how the ships that fought the Armada were built and manned. Barring a few later theoretical manuals on ship-building (which weren't actually used by ship-builders
), she represents pretty much what we know about that era in ship-building.Third, she represents a precisely dated time-capsule. The remains of the crew tell us more about the general health and so on of the population at large than anything else can; the artefacts provide unique insights into everyday items from the time. Excavations of graveyards don't tell us about healthy people! Mostly we simply don't have other representatives of the items preserved in the Mary Rose. For example, there was precisely ONE arrow from the period preserved (by accident) and I don't think there were any bows; Mary Rose provided hundreds of arrows and many bows, so now we know far more about mediaeval archery and its capabilities. So, we can understand how battles like Agincourt and Crecy actually happened. Archery was still an important component of warfare in Henry VIII's day; Henry himself was noted as an archer.
Finally, she was a successful ship. She had a long life before she sank, and was uniformly praised for her performance during her life-time. Yes, she was probably only marginally stable - but at least she didn't sink on her maiden voyage like the Vasa! In fact, her loss is widely attributed to mistakes made by the crew; it seems she sank because the gun-ports weren't closed before a turn that left the open ports to leeward. The last words of the commander were to the effect that "I have the sort of knaves that cannot be governed" or something similar! She may well have been carrying more guns in the castles than normal on her final voyage as well; she was expecting to fight a battle close to her home port.
The Vasa is a wonderfully preserved ship of a later period, but she was known to be unstable before she even left the dock, and I doubt many people were surprised when she sank. But Vasa represents ship-building design and practise a hundred years later than Mary Rose, when many of the concepts first tried in Mary Rose had become established practise.
maxi77
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To be honest the Vasa is good but it is just one ship, the Pompey historic dockyard package covers naval history and construction over hundreds of years.
Vitesse
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The dockyard is a fantastic day out for the whole family.
The old Mary Rose exhibit was my kid's favourite. Victory wasn't as good as Warrior, they said.
The old Mary Rose exhibit was my kid's favourite. Victory wasn't as good as Warrior, they said.
toad_oftoadhall
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I found the Vasa utterly mind blowing, and yes, kicked the Mary Rose into touch. Not very handy from Southsea though.
IIRC the £72 gets you a whole years access to Historic Dockyards/Museums, including one visit to each of the (IIRC) five "major" attractions. There's easily 3 or 4 solid days worth of interest.
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bluey01
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wife took the kids today - fantastic apparently
BUT at £35m one gents cubicle and one ladies is not enough, anyway it was busy which is good
BUT at £35m one gents cubicle and one ladies is not enough, anyway it was busy which is good