Marina over mooring prices

There are two (almost separate) issues. First is the "benefits" to the user of having a marina berth compared to a swinging mooring and that decision is up to the individual as many here have indicated.

The second is the cost associated with building and operating a marina. I have explained some of this in a similar thread elsewhere. Most of the marinas on the South Coast are built in reclaimed intertidal marshland or shallow tidal harbours which require dredging to create depth and constant dredging to maintain water, as well as maintenance of sheet piling and piles sunk into mud for pontoons.They also need significant landside facilities and have to compete with other uses, particularly housing and industrial for land. Add to this the planning constraints and environmental issues you will easily see why there is a shortage of marinas in the areas of highest demand - therefore prices are high.

Move away from those constraints and costs (and therefore prices) tumble. Just have a glance at the marina price guide published in PBO if you don't believe it. Marinas built in old commercial docks or in economically deprived areas are relatively cheap to build and cheap to run, particularly if no dredging is involved and land does not have alternate uses. Similar conditions apply to many marinas in France. They are built in economically deprived areas where there is little competition for land and building and maintenance costs are low. In some cases (particularly in the south) marinas are parts of huge housing/holiday developments as anyone who has been to Port Grimaud will appreciate. However, where there is competition from other activities and high demand, prices will be high. Compare the Med coast prices with Brittany and Normandy - bit like comparing the Solent with the north of the UK.

The real problem is that the "cheap" locations are in places where few people want to keep their boats and/or there is nowhere locally to cruise. That (together with low building costs) is why they are cheap, and why berths in heavily populated but popular sailing areas are "expensive".
 
There are two (almost separate) issues. First is the "benefits" to the user of having a marina berth compared to a swinging mooring and that decision is up to the individual as many here have indicated.

The second is the cost associated with building and operating a marina. I have explained some of this in a similar thread elsewhere. Most of the marinas on the South Coast are built in reclaimed intertidal marshland or shallow tidal harbours which require dredging to create depth and constant dredging to maintain water, as well as maintenance of sheet piling and piles sunk into mud for pontoons.They also need significant landside facilities and have to compete with other uses, particularly housing and industrial for land. Add to this the planning constraints and environmental issues you will easily see why there is a shortage of marinas in the areas of highest demand - therefore prices are high.

Move away from those constraints and costs (and therefore prices) tumble. Just have a glance at the marina price guide published in PBO if you don't believe it. Marinas built in old commercial docks or in economically deprived areas are relatively cheap to build and cheap to run, particularly if no dredging is involved and land does not have alternate uses. Similar conditions apply to many marinas in France. They are built in economically deprived areas where there is little competition for land and building and maintenance costs are low. In some cases (particularly in the south) marinas are parts of huge housing/holiday developments as anyone who has been to Port Grimaud will appreciate. However, where there is competition from other activities and high demand, prices will be high. Compare the Med coast prices with Brittany and Normandy - bit like comparing the Solent with the north of the UK.

The real problem is that the "cheap" locations are in places where few people want to keep their boats and/or there is nowhere locally to cruise. That (together with low building costs) is why they are cheap, and why berths in heavily populated but popular sailing areas are "expensive".


Erm whilst I accept that it's all each to their own, nowhere to cruise does seem a bit off target?

A lot of people seem to toddle from one marina to another, that isn't really cruising to me, but once again, each to their own I suppose.
 
Erm whilst I accept that it's all each to their own, nowhere to cruise does seem a bit off target?

A lot of people seem to toddle from one marina to another, that isn't really cruising to me, but once again, each to their own I suppose.

Would you keep a boat in Liverpool, for example? or on the North East coast? Fine if you just want somewhere to store your boat, use it as a cottage and go somewhere else for a two week holiday. Not the same as having the boat close to home and the ability to go out sailing in interesting waters anytime you want, as is possible for many who keep their boats in the expensive south coast marinas. Not, of course suggesting that many do take advantage, but it is there.

And a cheap berth in the north is of no use to most people who live in the south.
 
OK.............Once upon a time there was this barmpot yotty:D

I'm sure I'm not the only one... :rolleyes:

Carry on............

Get conceived, then born
Do school, get degree, graduate, get jobs
Work in Bristol, sail dinghies around west country
Self-build house in Somerset, have kid Mk I, stop sailing
Job change to Cambridge, move to Suffolk, keep Somerset house, have kid Mk II
Get bored and fidgety, discover East Coast rivers, SWMBO says buy bigger boat, so buy little bigger boat as first cruising boat
Sail with SWMBO & kids, keep boat on mooring, enjoy very much
Job move to USA, stop sailing again, lay up little big boat
Job ends in USA, sell US house, buy bigger big boat, go liveaboard, sail US East Coast
Sail until out of money, lay up bigger big boat, move back to UK to earn more money,
Work again in Bristol, move back to Somerset, family like UK East Coast so move little big boat to UK East Coast marina, sail little big boat on UK East Coast
Sell little big boat, move bigger big boat from US East Coast to UK East Coast into same marina, family pressure not allowing any other alternative

Howzat? :rolleyes::D
 
I'm sure I'm not the only one... :rolleyes:



Get conceived, then born
Do school, get degree, graduate, get jobs
Work in Bristol, sail dinghies around west country
Self-build house in Somerset, have kid Mk I, stop sailing
Job change to Cambridge, move to Suffolk, keep Somerset house, have kid Mk II
Get bored and fidgety, discover East Coast rivers, SWMBO says buy bigger boat, so buy little bigger boat as first cruising boat
Sail with SWMBO & kids, keep boat on mooring, enjoy very much
Job move to USA, stop sailing again, lay up little big boat
Job ends in USA, sell US house, buy bigger big boat, go liveaboard, sail US East Coast
Sail until out of money, lay up bigger big boat, move back to UK to earn more money,
Work again in Bristol, move back to Somerset, family like UK East Coast so move little big boat to UK East Coast marina, sail little big boat on UK East Coast
Sell little big boat, move bigger big boat from US East Coast to UK East Coast into same marina, family pressure not allowing any other alternative

Howzat? :rolleyes::D

I is impressed!!!!:cool::D
 
Would you keep a boat in Liverpool, for example? or on the North East coast? Fine if you just want somewhere to store your boat, use it as a cottage and go somewhere else for a two week holiday. Not the same as having the boat close to home and the ability to go out sailing in interesting waters anytime you want, as is possible for many who keep their boats in the expensive south coast marinas. Not, of course suggesting that many do take advantage, but it is there.

And a cheap berth in the north is of no use to most people who live in the south.

Never sailed out of Liverpool, but plenty do, I used to keep a boat on the Dee though, interesting sailing there! Nice cruising down along the N. Wales coast, or over to Ireland.
 
I'm with the pro-mooring argument nearly all the way,however as my knees, and my age are precluding me from tendering out to the mooring, a marina might be my only way to continue sailing, but I do not think I can justify the expense.
 
Erm whilst I accept that it's all each to their own, nowhere to cruise does seem a bit off target?

A lot of people seem to toddle from one marina to another, that isn't really cruising to me, but once again, each to their own I suppose.
How does toddling from mooring to anchorage differ? Either end might be different but the bit in the middle is exactly the same.
 
How does toddling from mooring to anchorage differ? Either end might be different but the bit in the middle is exactly the same.

Well it hardly ever is the same is it, the sea is always different day to day, what I was getting at is that the point of cruising (for me at any rate), is to go to different places, and see and experience different things.

In my view, one marina is much the same as any other, but if someones idea of fun is a to experience the constant and familiar, then I suppose marina hopping is just the job for them.
 
Well it hardly ever is the same is it, the sea is always different day to day, what I was getting at is that the point of cruising (for me at any rate), is to go to different places, and see and experience different things.

In my view, one marina is much the same as any other, but if someones idea of fun is a to experience the constant and familiar, then I suppose marina hopping is just the job for them.

So you're more into the destination than the journey then? I wouldn't really call that cruising, sounds more like sight-seeing. :)
 
I'm sure I'm not the only one... :rolleyes:



Get conceived, then born
Do school, get degree, graduate, get jobs
Work in Bristol, sail dinghies around west country
Self-build house in Somerset, have kid Mk I, stop sailing
Job change to Cambridge, move to Suffolk, keep Somerset house, have kid Mk II
Get bored and fidgety, discover East Coast rivers, SWMBO says buy bigger boat, so buy little bigger boat as first cruising boat
Sail with SWMBO & kids, keep boat on mooring, enjoy very much
Job move to USA, stop sailing again, lay up little big boat
Job ends in USA, sell US house, buy bigger big boat, go liveaboard, sail US East Coast
Sail until out of money, lay up bigger big boat, move back to UK to earn more money,
Work again in Bristol, move back to Somerset, family like UK East Coast so move little big boat to UK East Coast marina, sail little big boat on UK East Coast
Sell little big boat, move bigger big boat from US East Coast to UK East Coast into same marina, family pressure not allowing any other alternative

Howzat? :rolleyes::D

Youve left out all the best bits....:D
 
So you're more into the destination than the journey then? I wouldn't really call that cruising, sounds more like sight-seeing. :)

No not at all, as I said the sea is always different, I like both the journey and the destination, well sometimes, neither are sometimes what one may hope for and expect of. That's life though eh?
 
Not much to say there really, same partner for 32 years :p

I do make 3D films for a living though, could add a bit of spice to things... except they're not adult 3D films, so still pretty boring really :rolleyes:

Haven't we drifted off the moorings a bit, so to speak??
 
Not much to say there really, same partner for 32 years :p

I do make 3D films for a living though, could add a bit of spice to things... except they're not adult 3D films, so still pretty boring really :rolleyes:

Haven't we drifted off the moorings a bit, so to speak??

Harumph! Yes sorry, just got a bit carried away.:D
 
A penthouse apartment is still overcrowded flats surely.
Mountain shack implies miles away from the water which in this case is not correct, A possible comparison would be overcrowded flats with water and electric etc to a detatched remote waterside cottage. I know which I would pick.





How much do you think that all that land shore side costs. Even if the cost of the bits of water is the same for swinging mooring and marina the marina will have a fortune invested in car parks/ hard standing that doesn't produce income itself. Retail units are a different matter as they should self finance from rent but ignoring those, the marina may well be paying a couple of hundred thousand per year in interest.

Look at the mooring equipment itself. A riser, buoy and share of ground chain will only be a couple of hundred tops to buy. How much is 1/2 a finger pontoon plus a share of the main walkway- considerably more.

Finally what about the showers, water laid on electricity, security etc all cost money.

I like moorings but your analogy is incorrect.

You should be comparing a mountain shack with n facilities to a penthouse serviced apartment.

I'm all for more berths, just more that are somewhere between the two.
 
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