Marina fresh water hosepipes

[Dave_Snelson]

Pwllhelli Marina has taken away the fresh water hosepipe from the fuel quay with a notice that they are dangerous. Now then, our nanny state probably has a hand in this, in that there could be a risk of Legionnaires, or similar, if you don't flush the pipe through for 60 seconds before filling the tank...

You now have to take your own hose pipe to fill up at the spigot that has been left on the wall.

Anyone here have any legal or health views on this, or is it all tripe??

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[adarcy]

2 points

Legionnaires breeds in warm water ie hot tanks in hotels etc that are not hot enough to kill it and then the best way to catch it is via an aerosol inhalation ie have a shower. So I don't think it is Legionnaires.

There is a point of water sitting in pipes/hoses for a long time which could breed bugs but I can't remember whether it is better to have a clear one to let the UV in or a black one to keep all light out. I suspect in our present litiginous state the Health & Safety/risk assesment zealots think that if the marina doesn't supply a hose and you get anything it ain't their fault and you can put up with the inconvenience

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[HeadMistress]

More likely it's because some people don't have sense enough to know not use the potable water hose to rinse out their waste holding tanks...or fill their water tanks with the hose that's only supposed to be used to flush out waste tanks...which can result in e-coli contamination of the potable water system.


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[adarcy]

Re: Don\'t think so Peggy

"Over here" in the UK there is only one type of water supplied normally - I'm sure there may be some that supply spring/runoff/whatever. But the only tap water is all potable to the same standard whatever you want to do with it.
Agree if you mean people don't wash the end of the hose but the water is the same whatever

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[burgundyben]

Oh joy, a thread about hose pipes, have just this weekend re-located my boat to a marina and now have a hose pipe I can use!!! And electric!! I will be washing the boat with fresh water regularly!!

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[HeadMistress]

Re: Don\'t think so Peggy

All faucets over here are connected to the same water supply too. HOwever, e-coli is also the same the world over...and if one sticks the end of a hose that has recently been in a toilet or waste tank pumpout hose into a water tank fill, e-coli is likely to end up in the water tank. Just washing off the hose won't kill e-coli bacteria. The same hose that fills the water tank should never be used anywhere near the sanitation system.

The same danger exists, btw, if one connects a toilet designed to use raw water to the onboard potable water system...but that's a different topic.

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[andy_wilson]

Not familiar with the set up at 'Wellie but often the pump out is at the fuel berth, so some dick head sticks the hose into the holding tank by mistake and everyone ends up eating what they had.

I'll stick to filling up from the regular pontoons where dogs cock their legs against the hoses and clumsy clots drop the end into the marina where no-one has flushed their sea toilet - have they - ever - I mean, who would do a thing like that!

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[Dave_Snelson]

Re: Don\'t think so Peggy

Yes, unfortunately, the fresh water hose was situated right next to the holding tank pump-out device.

But not any more!

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[ArthurWood]

Re: Don\'t think so Peggy

There's your answer, Dave.
Doesn't matter much in the US as most people don't wash their hands after using the toilet (my 18 years of casual observation in airport and other public toilets all over the country), so they are probably resistant to e.coli/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[Cymraeg]

Re: Don\'t think so Peggy

When I was at Pwllheli a few weeks ago there was a notice on the Marina Office door about the water supply and everyone having to buy pack flat hoses. In fact, I think there was a newspaper article about it which was copied and on the door also. Something to do with an enforcement notice from the Water or Environment people - is this to do with the same issue?

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[gonfishing]

Hi Dave
When I was up there a couple of weeks back I read a notice at the marina office stating along the lines, that it was a welsh water directive that all owners must supply their own hose, and that the marina ones were being withdrawn, for fear of being prosecuted for allowing the water supply, to become contaminated by hoses being dropped in the Marina. So now if you get Delhi belly you can't sue welsh water or the Marina as it will be your hose that has caused the problem!!!!!
Anotherv case of P.C and our Litigatious society!!!
Julian

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[PaulF]

Hi Dave,

Yes I encountered this spreading PC crap again. Dartmouth Harbour board told to remove them. Was informed that some types pf hose react badly to the Chlorine they put in the drinking water, what it does to you I dont know, but I had to go and buy one.

Just when is this lunacy going to stop? Nobody takes any personal responsibility anymore and I am sick of it. The only people that benefit from this rubbish is the lawyers, but hey, they make the laws so guess who reaps the harvest, guess who pays for it all.

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[longjohnsilver]

That explains why the 9 inches of hose on the dinghy pontoon which made filling a water container easier has now disappeared.

Ridiculous.

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[PaulF]

Yes John, instead of life getting easier, these parastic pen pushers just give us grief on the pretext they are protecting us. I would fire the bloody lot and happily put up with the odd 'risk' of upset stomach. I am sure we have had the same hose for years in our yard and, surprise surprise, not one of us has dropped dead yet!

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[extravert]

Re: Marina fresh water hose pipes

It's Welsh Water's latest edict. It isn't just Pwllheli either, all Welsh marinas are going the same way, Holyhead and Deganwy are now the same. The reason not all marinas have removed their hoses yet is because the water inspectors take time to do their rounds of inspections, and haven't got everywhere yet.

Annoyingly the hose fittings are not consistent either. My hose would not fit on the Holyhead taps last week. It would be useful if the BMIF got all UK marinas to standardize on a single hose fitting before it goes too far.

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[HeadMistress]

Re: Marina fresh water hose pipes

It's only a guess...but I suspect that the marinas are requiring hoses that store flat is not because they're safer (I don't see how they could be...a damp dark environment is a damp dark environment whether it's flat or round), but because they take up less room on the docks and are tidier than coils or piles of "garden" hose...less liability exposure from someone tripping over a pile of hose and falling in or getting hurt.

I thought we were the only country determined to ensure survival of the weakest links in the human gene pool. But apparently not...

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[extravert]

Re: Marina fresh water hose pipes

The reason flat hoses are required is that they empty out when the tap is closed, and no seawater can be sucked back into them if the open end is in the sea. That's what they say anyway.

Although the marina hoses have only been gone a couple of months at Pwllheli, people don't seem to be leaving their own hoses around on the pontoons so far. I think if someone did, it is likely it would be 'borrowed' and not be seen again.

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[HeadMistress]

Re: Marina fresh water hose pipes

'Twould be an interesting phenomenon to watch water under pressure pushing from one end pull water into the other end of a hose. But even if it were possible, how does that keep the outside of the end of a hose which will be inserted in a water fill pipe clean if it falls in the water?

The lengths those who are determined to control everyone else's lives will go to is mind boggling!

Btw...when filling a water tank, whenever possible, always let the water run long enough to clear out all the water that's been standing in the supply line and/or your own hose. Hoses that have been sitting in the sun, even in cool weather, soak up a lot of solar heat which provides the ideal breeding conditions for the molds and fungi that contribute to foul smelling and tasting water aboard. Flushing 'em out of the water supply before you fill the tank helps to keep 'em out the onboard water supply.

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[Dave1258]

Re: Marina fresh water hose pipes

Isn't there a "food quality" issue regarding hosepipe usage, or am I reading too much into this!? Mandy

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[HeadMistress]

Re: Marina fresh water hose pipes

The hard-core PC "save everyone on the planet from themselves" crowd may think so...but to my knowledge no one has ever died or even suffered any ill effects from filling water tanks with common variety garden hoses. It's all I've ever used...and when they get "skanky"--about every 2-3 years--I replace it and cut out sections of the old one to use as chafe protectors on my dock lines

Can't resist posting a story: I had a dock neighbor in the next slip who never bothered to buy a hose...he just used mine. I knew he was bringing some very important guests to his boat...that he'd be dressed to the 9's...and that he'd arrive no more than half an hour ahead of 'em to rinse the week's dust off his boat. So I cut a 2' section out of the middle of "our" hose...then coiled it up very carefully, so that the cut section was pointing UP when he turned on the water...

The rest...I only wish I'd been there with a video camera when he turn on the water. <VB, VE G>

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