Does anyone know what that would cost in, say, Hamble ? In Dartmouth I believe a 43 fter would be paying £4-5k. Which is the most expensive marina in the UK ? and why don't more of us emigrate ?!
<hr width=100% size=1>a pragmatist is an optimist with a boat in the UK - but serious about not being in the UK !
Had a quote from a Hamble marina of £5.5k for my 38ft.
> Which is the most expensive marina in the UK
Seem to remember Brighton as being quite pricy.
> and why don't more of us emigrate ?!
Because some people have more money than sense. The whole Solent scene is a perfect example. Don't get it myself - in general it's fair to moan about chandlery prices, yet £5.5k per year just to park your boat is acceptable.
<hr width=100% size=1>Experience is a good teacher, but she sends in terrific bills.
Perhaps if all the people who more their boats on the Hamble and never use them were to move/get rid of them the reduction in demand would make moorings more affordable.
Unviersal on the Hamble is very good. The facilities are a bit iffy but who often do you use them in your home port?
I think that part of the problem is that we have been to ready to accept things in this country in the past, which has set a precedent.
Sure, if you can afford the travelling time or are an occasional user then it may well pay to keep your boat in France, say, and power to the those that are moving their vessels abroad - it may just be making a statement that we all feel.
Unfortunately, not everybody is in a position, for one reason or another, to do that, and while more reasonably priced moorings by comparison can be found elsewhere than the south and southwest at the end of the day it is the marina operators who have the whip hand - the premise being that if you don't like the price, well, try and find somewhere else - if you can (all assuming that they deign to grant you the privelege of a berth in the first place). Without a doubt, there are some tremendous rip-offs on the south coast, in marinas, and some anchorages/trots, but thankfully you come across the exception now and again, eg Yarmouth where the staff are friendly, facilities all I require, and the prices reasonable (cheaper rates on the bouys during the week).
Going back 20 yrs when I was on my first live-aboard I left a not so good IOW marina where they said the summer was 7 months long (1/2 price in winter) with no facilities and took the boat to Spain where the charges were 1/2 that of the IOW and their summer was only 5 months long, plus free electricity, water, security,and the marina had supermarket, clothes shop and over twenty bars and restaurants. That was 20 years ago - you would have thought that they would have learnt something from that here, well.... I suppose they did in that most marinas now have a half decent shower/toilet block, but the prices hiked and that's about it. (excluding Brighton, which of course has a tremendous amount in the complex).
Now just dreaming and working until we can let go the ropes here and get down to somewhere where we can idle away the days anchoring for free or paying modest marina charges if we feel the urge.
It must be autumn, the equinoxal arguments have come round again.
Regarding priciest marina, I'd go with Ken, Salterns has, historically been the most expensive marina in the UK.
Regarding marina costs in general, I'll probably not be too popular for saying this but there is a law of supply and demand going on here. There are swinging moorings going a-begging in Portsmouth and Poole harbour every year but waiting lists at most, if not all, S. Coast marinas. The fact of the matter is that we are prepared to pay for the convenience that the marina provides.
There was a interview on R4 the other day with a harbourmaster (I think) from the Hamble saying that marina space is going to continue to be a big problem because of increasing ownership of larger craft. There is a finite amount of space to put all the boats and pricing is one (probably the only) way of providing a supply against an almost limitless demand.
I'm one of the smug gits who has a cheap, council swinging mooring and spends his time anchoring but we are in the minority. As the man said earlier on, give up your marina berths then watch the prices drop. Personally, I believe that there aren't many who will.
I agree totally with your ethos. I will not use a marina cause I refuse to pay their unreasionable charges with one exception, Moodies at Swanick, where an overnight does not break the bank, and you can then visit the barge for a quick rummage for all those must have bits - although the barge prices have become stupid recently and I havent bothered going there for a while now.
O.K. we've heard all about the most expensive - but where is the cheapest. I'll start by nominating Barrow, secure berth on a floating pontoon in a secure area for £8.00+vat per metre a month.
My boat's staying at one now in the very centre of a beautiful capital city for about 60 pounds a month, including electricity, that's 6 pounds per metre per month.
I think you'll find that it works the other way around the longer the waiting list the higher the charges.
For instance, Lymington Yachthaven is by not means cheap, they have a 3-4 year waiting list, charge a non-refundable (if you drop off the list voluntarily) fee to be on the waiting list and the berths are always full. I happen to like LYH but have better things to do with the £5.5k it would cost me to berth there each year.