Making an offer

[Wansworth]

My initial contact via email was to find out if the boat was still for sale.As it was I said my offered would be about 7,000 before we got into arranging meeting.Surely better than all the palavour of meeting if my offer in any case would be lower than he expected.I can see your point of view but it seemed more straight forward.

 

[Capt Popeye]

My initial contact via email was to find out if the boat was still for sale.As it was I said my offered would be about 7,000 before we got into arranging meeting.Surely better than all the palavour of meeting if my offer in any case would be lower than he expected.I can see your point of view but it seemed more straight forward.

Yea well , I am of the opinion that no one can make any serious offer before viewing the item first , up to a viewing its not an offer based upon the viewing /talking about the item offered for sale ; its really stating a fixed maximum price that one is prepared to pay for such an item , whatever the items condition , availability , etc etc , so if the unconditional offer made its taken as a max price that you are willing to pay ; a sort of 'take it or leave it' ultimatum ; so guess them sort of offers are at best ignoored by a seller

 

[Poignard]

Yea well , I am of the opinion that no one can make any serious offer before viewing the item first , up to a viewing its not an offer based upon the viewing /talking about the item offered for sale ; its really stating a fixed maximum price that one is prepared to pay for such an item , whatever the items condition , availability , etc etc , so if the unconditional offer made its taken as a max price that you are willing to pay ; a sort of 'take it or leave it' ultimatum ; so guess them sort of offers are at best ignoored by a seller

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It's a free market!

As private individuals buying and selling you can pretty well ask what you like, offer what you like, specify what terms you like, reject what you don't like.

If you are unwilling to consider offers - then just say so in your advert!

If you want to deter those you might consider to be time-wasters, charge a 'viewing fee'. I won't come, but some might.

 

[mrming]

I think Wansworth has the right general approach here, however I would use slightly different language - something like “I have a maximum budget of €x - if there is any chance you would take that kind of sum let me know and we can talk about a viewing.”

 

[Blueboatman]

“ Dear Mr ( perfect, not overpriced boat for me in the UK/France/Belgium/Holland/Germany/Poland and currently for sale).. I would like to offer a very good price and am looking for a seller willing to work with me on overland delivery and import docs to NW Spain as I am currently unable to travel and all we have here is overpriced tat unfit for inclusion in a modern day Armada at any price …) “

If you don’t ask, the mountain won’t come to Momud

What’s to lose, really ? ??

 

[Wansworth]

“ Dear Mr ( perfect, not overpriced boat for me in the UK/France/Belgium/Holland/Germany/Poland and currently for sale).. I would like to offer a very good price and am looking for a seller willing to work with me on overland delivery and import docs to NW Spain as I am currently unable to travel and all we have here is overpriced tat unfit for inclusion in a modern day Armada at any price …) “

If you don’t ask, the mountain won’t come to Momud

What’s to lose, really ? ??

I don’t know what to say?

 

[Wansworth]

It’s finding a boat not too far from home in Oder to make it feasible to get seaworthy to bring to Galicia.Certainly there are overpriced boats here in Galicia for what they are and there are some at rock bottom price but with drooping headlining which is just too far for my physical agility.There is no real rush and as Mr Micawber said something will turn up or my offers will be accepted as winter looms.I am not adverse toa good refit(exceptdrooping…….).All the boats I have viewed have had inboard diesels in various states of decrepitude alas I wish I was a me chanic butCould be feasible with a new outboard instead,time will tell?

 

[Blueboatman]

I don’t know what to say?

Yer but
You could have been sailing by now (?)
And trading up to The Right One - ooer missus

Edit: I have a cunning plan : why not put on the dark glasses and mac ???and make someone an offer they cannot refuse ?

 

[Wansworth]

Yer but
You could have been sailing by now (?)
And trading up to The Right One - ooer missus

Edit: I have a cunning plan : why not put on the dark glasses and mac ???and make someone an offer they cannot refuse ?

Liable to be behind bars……..

 

[Capt Popeye]

Yer but
You could have been sailing by now (?)
And trading up to The Right One - ooer missus

Edit: I have a cunning plan : why not put on the dark glasses and mac ???and make someone an offer they cannot refuse ?

Liable to be behind bars……..

Yea well , behind Bars you state , my thats kina kinky somehow {)#

 

[Wansworth]

Yea well , behind Bars you state , my thats kina kinky somehow {)#

?

 

[Concerto]

Liable to be behind bars……..

Wot serving drinks, rather than consuming them.

 

[Blueboatman]

Well there’s a thought
Some of the best yachts get sold privately over a yacht club bar chat “ I’m in the market “ , kinda thing ..
New motto : Resistance is useless , you will go home with a new boat ?

 

[Laysula]

“ Dear Mr ( perfect, not overpriced boat for me in the UK/France/Belgium/Holland/Germany/Poland and currently for sale).. I would like to offer a very good price and am looking for a seller willing to work with me on overland delivery and import docs to NW Spain as I am currently unable to travel and all we have here is overpriced tat unfit for inclusion in a modern day Armada at any price …) “

If you don’t ask, the mountain won’t come to Momud

What’s to lose, really ? ??

If I had an e mail like that it would just say scam to me.

 

[Blueboatman]

If I had an e mail like that it would just say scam to me.

Well of course it would.
And I’m sure you and I could do that email beautifully and authentically.

Or speak to a prospective vendor directly ..

But the essence , drafted properly, is to enter discussion into the OPs dilemma which is that fairly priced boats -unsold -are sitting far away from him but for the notion of delivery, duties and paperwork ..
The market will become more fluid but why not be proactive ? And get sailing in a decent imported boat
Tbh I prefer using a good broker, who fixes these things in his profession ( if you get a good one ?)

 

[dunedin]

But the essence , drafted properly, is to enter discussion into the OPs dilemma which is that fairly priced boats -unsold -are sitting far away from him but for the notion of delivery, duties and paperwork ..

Sadly the OP has aspirations for a boat in excellent condition but a budget set for an old banger. Added to constraints about distance to travel and, strangely, sagging headlining, I suspect he will always be disappointed unless / until one of the factors gets changed (eg budget, willingness to travel, condition expectations).
Perhaps the hobby is in the search, rather than in the actual boating - which is perfectly fine.
Otherwise need to apply the YOLO principle, up the budget and go sailing.

 

[Blueboatman]

Sadly the OP has aspirations for a boat in excellent condition but a budget set for an old banger. Added to constraints about distance to travel and, strangely, sagging headlining, I suspect he will always be disappointed unless / until one of the factors gets changed (eg budget, willingness to travel, condition expectations).
Perhaps the hobby is in the search, rather than in the actual boating - which is perfectly fine.
Otherwise need to apply the YOLO principle, up the budget and go sailing.

That makes perfect sense

 

[Wansworth]

Went to view another small yacht in Coruna yesterday .Although 50years old it was in almost perfect conditionwith a reconditioned Solediesel that stared well.The boat was well presented nice and clean ,what could be wrong on this one.The wife found the side decks too narrow as is the normal case in small boats trying to maximize. Interior area .Price was a bit high but understandable quite a bit of money had been spent on this and that.Phoned up this morning to say atthe momment we were not interested.Thats about cleaned out small boats advertised in Galicia and the prices jump up to 12/15 thousand euros bigger boats with more maintenanc and running costs.Situation now in review .

 

[LittleSister]

Phoned up this morning to say atthe momment we were not interested.

Why?

Sounds like a situation warranting a diplomatic, possibly ongoing, discussion with the vendor about price.

And a perhaps similar styled conversation with your nearest and dearest about side decks. (Does she have particularly big feet, perhaps? )

Narrow side decks pretty much come with the territory on small boats, especially those where creature comforts 'indoors' count for anything. (I seem to recall you were singing the praises of the Westerly Nomad a while back, and that doesn't have any!) Some small boats have a forward hatch giving better access to the foredeck than the side decks. With a roller-reefing foresail, and a line led back for picking up moorings, there's not a lot of need to go forward, and it rarely needs doing in a hurry. (You could volunteer to do all the side deck scrambling, and exempt your wife from such duties.)

(Perhaps the 'at the moment' bit of your message to the vendor indicates you've got the latter conversation in hand, or at least you're trying to psych yourself up for it!)

But yet again you've kept us in the dark about what model the boat is! I've told you before, we're not getting our money's worth when you do that. ?

 

[Wansworth]

Why?

Sounds like a situation warranting a diplomatic, possibly ongoing, discussion with the vendor about price.

And a perhaps similar styled conversation with your nearest and dearest about side decks. (Does she have particularly big feet, perhaps? )

Narrow side decks pretty much come with the territory on small boats, especially those where creature comforts 'indoors' count for anything. (I seem to recall you were singing the praises of the Westerly Nomad a while back, and that doesn't have any!) Some small boats have a forward hatch giving better access to the foredeck than the side decks. With a roller-reefing foresail, and a line led back for picking up moorings, there's not a lot of need to go forward, and rarely needs doing in a hurry.

And yet again you've kept us in the dark about what model the boat is! I've told you before, we're not getting our money's worth when you do that. ?

It’s a Daimio 23 price 7,800 euros……..?……..taking wife on these events has become a feature recently,The westerly without side decks has its advantages.Thisrecent boat was too perfect there was nothing to do nothing to tinker with?