MAIB Investigating Keel Loss - Tygar

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Just noticed that the MAIB are investigating the loss of a keel from a yacht called Tygar of London.

I usually assume that when incidents like this happen word gets around but I must've missed it. Anyone know what happened? No mention of casualties show hopefully all on board are well.

Anyway, I'm glad MAIB are taking this sort of thing seriously and hopefully they'll have the data for a thorough investigation.
 
lpdsn said:
Just noticed that the MAIB are investigating the loss of a keel from a yacht called Tygar of London.

I usually assume that when incidents like this happen word gets around but I must've missed it. Anyone know what happened? No mention of casualties show hopefully all on board are well.

Anyway, I'm glad MAIB are taking this sort of thing seriously and hopefully they'll have the data for a thorough investigation.
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Google turns up these:

http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2017/12/08/keel-failure-off-canary-islands/
http://reddotpier.com/again-sailing-yacht-loses-keel/
https://oceancruisingclub.org/newsitem/178/Rescue-of-Tyger-of-London-by-St--Barbara-V

the last of which includes

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A Comet 45S, made by Comar Yachts in Italy, it seems.
 
So it is an Italian built yacht, crewed by Germans/Swiss in Spanish waters. I take it that the MAIB is investigating because it is UK registered - certainly the name suggests it might be.

Reading the reports, it sounds rather fortunate that another yacht was close enough to pluck them out of the water so quickly.
 
Angele said:
So it is an Italian built yacht, crewed by Germans/Swiss in Spanish waters. I take it that the MAIB is investigating because it is UK registered - certainly the name suggests it might be.

Reading the reports, it sounds rather fortunate that another yacht was close enough to pluck them out of the water so quickly.
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You're never going to get a decent understanding of the causes of these failures by just looking locally as there simply aren't enough incidents. It was a production yacht and I think a fair working assumption that some of the issues may turn out to be applicible to non-Italian yachts crewed by non-Swiss/German crew. We'll see.

I did feel that Beneteau came out of it with very little criticism after the loss of the Cheeki Rafiki and having a bit of a bee in my bonnet about good design including design for maintainability I thought they got off lightly.

As it looks like the boat was recovered I'm hopeful the MAIB will be able to carry out a very thorough investigation.

Thanks for the links JD. I tried a websearch on the full name of the boat but didn't find anything useful.
 
lpdsn said:
You're never going to get a decent understanding of the causes of these failures by just looking locally as there simply aren't enough incidents. It was a production yacht and I think a fair working assumption that some of the issues may turn out to be applicible to non-Italian yachts crewed by non-Swiss/German crew. We'll see.
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My point was more about understanding what aspect of the loss is the trigger for it falling within the remit of the MAIB, given that it happened in territorial waters of another EU country, and no one on board was British. I concluded that it must be because the boat was on one of the British registers. If it weren't for that, I don't think they would be investigating. They simply aren't funded to look at any incident they feel like looking into. So, it appears to be simply a case of registration that makes it so.
 
Angele said:
My point was more about understanding what aspect of the loss is the trigger for it falling within the remit of the MAIB, given that it happened in territorial waters of another EU country, and no one on board was British. I concluded that it must be because the boat was on one of the British registers.
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You're right, I think it is exactly that. With the commercial reports where the ship is likely owned and built abroad and with a crew from the Ukraine or the Philipines or similar, it seems to be down to whether the ship was in UK waters or is UK registered, but even then sometimes another country investigates.
 
10 year old racing machine breaks.
What would other sports say about a 10 year old piece of equipment failing?
 
lw395 said:
10 year old racing machine breaks.
What would other sports say about a 10 year old piece of equipment failing?
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It’s not a race boat if that link was to the right boat. Bimini, windlass, bow thruster etc, it’s a cruising boat.

Absolutely shocking, and again like Polina Star in what sounds like relatively moderate weather - and also very lucky that in daylight with another boat close by which witnessed the capsize.
Look forward to reading about this in YM and YW to see what can be learnt.
 
dunedin said:
It’s not a race boat if that link was to the right boat. Bimini, windlass, bow thruster etc, it’s a cruising boat.

Absolutely shocking, and again like Polina Star in what sounds like relatively moderate weather - and also very lucky that in daylight with another boat close by which witnessed the capsize.
Look forward to reading about this in YM and YW to see what can be learnt.
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Looking at pictures of the design, it is a race boat. Twin wheels, bulb keel, light weight.
The failure happened after ten years. I expect the yacht saw harder conditions during that history?

We seem to be in a market where people want hi-tech, fast yachts, but then expect them to be robust things that thrive on neglect and abuse like Trident 24's.

Will we find this boat had damage and repairs in its history? (another Cheeki Rafiki)
Or is it possible that certain yachts have a 'design life' now?
Now that yachts are not so overbuilt as they used to be, could osmosis be something to worry about again, weakening yachts as they age?
Or is it fatigue?
Fatigue of GRP is an interesting subject.
 
lw395 said:
Looking at pictures of the design, it is a race boat. Twin wheels, bulb keel, light weight.
The failure happened after ten years. I expect the yacht saw harder conditions during that history..
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Twin wheels makes a race yacht? Live every new Bavaria, Jeanneau, Halbery Rassy, X-Cruising etc? Don’t think so.

Bulb keel - only marginally less common, but I think that includes Dehler, Elan and countless other non racers.

Light weight - not sure if it was, but again lots of moderately light weight cruisers

Let’s see if we get any pictures of the keel failure and fuller report of the incident. Hopefully Elaine B will be printing something soon
 
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