Wansworth
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biscuits are the work of the devil?
low carb diet and sailing
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Stemar
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Glad to hear I'm not the only one. I've no idea if this contributed to my diabetes, but it certainly contributed to my waist size!
I usually have an afternoon cup of tea and allow myself one biscuit, but I don't dare take the packet to where I'm going to drink the tea. Strictly take out one and put the packet back in the cupboard.
Stingo
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Stingo
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Also watch a few of this doctor's videos
Gary Fettke
Gary Fettke
newtothis
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Also read this website: Home Angry Chef Food Pseudoscience science
Stingo
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Can you give us a summary, please. His blog is rant after rant without getting to a point
Stingo
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And another video showing the corporate and religious corruption in the food industry
Edited to correct the link
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Zing
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I’m on a ketogenic diet, probably for life. It worked for me with massive health improvements to diabetes, weight, blood pressure, cholesterol, gerd, arthritis.Contemplating going onto a low carb diet for health reasons but really struggling to think of things to eat particularly on the boat. Rarely if ever eat red meat simply because I dont particularly like it, so my current diet is cereals for b'fast, things like ryvita and cheese and buns and biccies for lunch, and a 2 course dinner with bread or spuds or pasta and a desert. Lots of fruit but then they are high in carbs.
So for those who are type 2, what do you eat particularly for b'fast and lunch?
The clue to what I like is in the name I have chosen.
I simply cut out the carbs. Omega 6 based oils too. So all sugar, bread, pasta, biscuit, cake, potato, rice etc and I eat everything else. Normal protein, rotating between beef, chicken and fish, lots of veg and even more of fat. Essentially the fat mostly replaces the carbs calories. It’s not at all hard to do, it’s just a different way of cooking. So breakfast is a fully loaded mega omelette and that lasts until dinner. On a Keto diet you don’t need or want to eat so much or so often. Snacking and food or sugar cravings go away. The body adapts to fuelling from your fat reserves instead of demanding carbs and 2 meals a day is usual.
It’s the natural way of feeding the body, the way we evolved to live as animals and the mind and muscles prefer to be fed off fat rather than carbs.
Birdseye
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Hallelujah brother!
I do the exercise, dont drink alcohol, but I struggle not to trough my way through the carbs, particulalry at breakfast times. Always wake up hungry. Have always had a pile of cereals and milk for brekkie. And a fondness for bread - decent stuff not Mothers Pride.Thanks to everyone for their contributions. I will follow up the links. I'm sure that I can do the necessary after breakfast but for breakfast .............
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mjcoon
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Are you my dentist in disguise?
Sandy
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Are you on the boat for long periods of time?
When sailing I throw diet out of the window, it is all about keeping the body fuelled so that you are able to function as required, be that alert at 0300 h or able to winch that sheet in.
Bluetack42
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Sandy, you are into the trade off between the short & long term with this. As we get older controlling weight becomes ever more important and difficult, a well known GP Dr quote “I see old people and I see fat people but i rarely see old fat people”. In my view, after 40 years in the food & exercise industries, its increasingly clear that the academic research says that the major influencer on weight is diet & on health is exercise, only the young are able to use exercise to control weight & nowadays even they struggle.
Most of us find the diet part harder than exercise to get right continuously, diets dont work, the only thing that does is permanent change in bad habits, just like smoking the occasional relapse grows & soon gets you back to the beginning, so the problem with abandoning good habits as soon as you get on the boat is the effect spreads to the rest of your life.
I would argue that a balanced healthy diet (protein, veg, fat) will give you just as much energy & alertness as a high sugar diet and avoids the sugar rush ups and downs that the latter gives.
GHA
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Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.
Sandy
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Yes I am. Based on the fact that few people live more than a month onboard actively sailing.
st599
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If you're on a low carb diet, you'll find the eat what you want on a boat idea gives you a massive sugar hit and you feel like crap.
Bluetack42
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My point was that even a couple of days of no dietary discipline on the boat makes it really hard to build good eating habits in the rest of your life
Zing
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I am very wary of being told to eat mostly plants. Vegetarianism/veganism is an -ism. It is often preached like a political standpoint and often connected to ethics. Non harm of animals or of the environment. Often is is motivated by those who also have leftist leanings. You will find a hugely disproportionate number of vegans amongst socialist-feminist-environmentalists. When it comes to health then all those political issues should be secondary. Especially if you don't have great health. Compared to ill health all that food-politics is an irrelevance and a luxury.
Also, it's not so simple as the message. If you have had your metabolism broken by decades of eating a high sugar, high carb, high omega 6 diet (and that's most of us) then you can't eat any of that anymore or you will die early, so most of us need to eat something else compared to from someone who grows up not eating crap. Meat is what ancient man lived off, what we evolved to eat principally, it is the most nutrient dense and valuable food I eat and it is at the focus of my diet, not veg so much.
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Bristolfashion
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I'm not sure where you get the idea that meat was the main dietary ingredient of "ancient man". It is hard to determine the historic diets of homo sapiens and its forebears. It seems probable that diversity was key - the development of a larger brain may have been linked to adding high starchy foods and meat to the diet, but meat was unlikely to be the main ingredient. Different populations may have had completely different diets. The ancestors of homo sapiens probably had a mostly vegetarian diet.
Still, the ancient diet was for a human that was lucky to live past 30 - not the best recommendation.
I'm not entirely sure that a skinny, young person chasing a lean antelope across the African veldt all day and an heavier, older person buying a bit of much less lean beef in Tescos is exactly the same thing anyway (no personal insults intended to anyone - a general point).
The current, best-practice medical advice does tend to lead to a reasonable approach with lots of veg, fruit & whole grains and lower amounts of meat & dairy.
Just out of interest, whilst not naturally slim, at 58 I've never been overweight (BMI 25 or above) and have a diet of lots of complex carbs & veg, some fruit with very little dairy, meat and fish. I do use a fair amount of olive oil but no butter or milk. My favourite food of the moment is homemade potato pizza - mmmmmm.
Still, the ancient diet was for a human that was lucky to live past 30 - not the best recommendation.
I'm not entirely sure that a skinny, young person chasing a lean antelope across the African veldt all day and an heavier, older person buying a bit of much less lean beef in Tescos is exactly the same thing anyway (no personal insults intended to anyone - a general point).
The current, best-practice medical advice does tend to lead to a reasonable approach with lots of veg, fruit & whole grains and lower amounts of meat & dairy.
Just out of interest, whilst not naturally slim, at 58 I've never been overweight (BMI 25 or above) and have a diet of lots of complex carbs & veg, some fruit with very little dairy, meat and fish. I do use a fair amount of olive oil but no butter or milk. My favourite food of the moment is homemade potato pizza - mmmmmm.
newtothis
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Putting down one ism by promoting another? I find most paleos are motivated by right-wing motives.
BTW, the high priest of this nonsense died weighing 18 stone. Hardly an advertisement for the health benefits of the meat diet.
And also, please do some research before repeatedly spouting the 'ancient man lived off meat line'. It is entirely untrue that any human diet has ever been solely or predominantly meat-based (if you discount modern Americans).
If you have health issues with your diet, please go and get advice from a registered dietitian, not some bloke off the internet.
Zing
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You are full of aggressive posturing. Got some raw nerves exposed?
I'm not promoting a paleo diet as a diet for the population, but I am saying that meat is extremely healthy contrary to the leftist political indoctrination coming from vegan zealots. Health trumps a concern for animals and it trumps a concern for the environment and I resent the preachy holier than thou attitude of vegetarians and vegans, who try to mess around with my health for political reasons.
I'm not spouting anything, unlike you and I've done my research. The evidence of early man being animal based principally is incontrovertible. Here is a paper on the subject (and there are many, many more like it). To quote from it:
...Neanderthals and early modern humans had similar dietary adaptations, obtaining most of their dietary protein from animals...
Out of Africa: Modern Human Origins Special Feature: Isotopic evidence for the diets of European Neanderthals and early modern humans..