Looks like red diesel trouble ahead
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Davegriff
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And to continue my rant elsewhere, don't expect any help from the RYA.
Talulah
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Have to say though that if I was a member of the public looking at the photo of the two mobo's in that link I would be thinking "Why the hell aren't they bloody paying the full price?"
bikedaft
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We use little diesel most years, so will not greatly affect us (£100-200)
Mobo's however will be hit hard
What does commercial shipping use? (Not fishing boats)
Mobo's however will be hit hard
What does commercial shipping use? (Not fishing boats)
gjgm
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umm... name that Uk marina in BBC photo!!
I am not sure if something has now edged forward, but I thought EU has been taking Uk to court for months/years over this.
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Bru
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If it wasn't for the RYA, IWA and BMIF we'd have lost this one many years ago.
sailorman
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Our Red 60/40 split cost are very similar to the cost of white in Europe @ 100%.
We in the UK are over taxed on DERV compared to Europe
We in the UK are over taxed on DERV compared to Europe
prv
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I don't think this is anything new, I think a BBC journalist has just noticed (and not fully understood or explained) the situation as it has stood for some years.
Pete
Pete
Koeketiene
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Last time I filled up, I paid more per liter for 60/40 red than for white at a petrol stations.
If I'm going to pay white prices, I might as well get white fuel.
+1
Sans Bateau
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From the BBC site:
"Red diesel can be used by UK boats for heating purposes but using it to power engines is illegal."
Really?
"Red diesel can be used by UK boats for heating purposes but using it to power engines is illegal."
Really?
I wouldn't mind using unmarked fuel if it didn't have the biodiesel and other additives which, while harmless to road vehicles, can erode seals and plumbing on (elderly) marine engines.
sailorman
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As i have asked before "How do Euroland old marine engines cope"
vyv_cox
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Exactly so. In Greece there is no shortage of elderly boat engines, the fuel all comes from filling stations and apparently has one of the higher bio contents. Diesel bug problems seem rare here compared with further north where maybe there is more likelihood of contamination by water.
Tranona
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You could not be more wrong. The RYA (along with the BMF) have been the prime movers in retaining the red diesel "concession" with the full support of the UK government.
This is a government to government issue and the UK government has consistently defended its stance against the EU.
Not everybody agrees with government policy, but it is now in the hands of the European court. There is nothing new in the BBC report that started this thread, it has been going on for several years.
sailorman
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Are you actually an RYA member or a "free loader"
prv
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As I said, the journalist has read all the bits but failed to understand it properly before writing.
In the EU's view, putting red diesel into a pleasure craft tank for any purpose is illegal.
In the UK's view, running both engines and heaters on red diesel is legal, but you must have paid the additional tax on what goes into the engine.
What the scribble-monkey has written is not correct according to anybody's interpretation.
Pete
gjgm
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I have lost track as to what EU is fussing about. I think it was that in EU you may nationally only have one tax level per use/fuel type, and that you cannot therefore have two taxation levels of marked/red diesel- even if it is used for different purposes. Is that their point?
sailorman
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their point is "marked" fuel, NOTHING ELSE
Sans Bateau
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Why dont we 'mark' road fuel and make (what was) red diesel white. That'd confuse the buggers when they return to Euroland after filling their cars up here!
Sans Bateau
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Indeed, hence my note.