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My late parents had a Moody Eclipse 43 and most were supplied without teak decks, so worth keep on looking. They also made an Eclispe 38 that could also suit but few were made. The 43 was a reasonable sailing boat and was nice to live aboard for weeks on end. Whilst seated in the deck saloon you had about 270 degree all round vision as there were no windows into the cockpit.
Thanks. Have not seen an Eclipse in person but from photos online they look like a boat that would work. Moodys in general have an excellent reputation.

Have a friend that has a 42 Moody and overall a nice boat. His does have a cast iron keel which I don't love but could live with.
 

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Nauticat 42 nauticatassociation.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Nauticat-42-spec.pdf is probably the closest you will get that is relatively common and in your price range - they sell +/-£200k. Teak decks of course but of a far better quality than most others use. Realistically not only is the choice very limited, but paying £200k for a boat that would now cost closer to £1m you have to accept that maintenance is a major aspect of ownership.

Moody Eclipse 43 for sale here brighton.boatshed.com/moody_eclipse_43-boat-313653.html Rather tired but nothing that £50k and a couple of skips won't fix. In many ways good to see a boat used in the way that it was designed for over 30 years!

Saildrives will not feature in this type of boat as most are shaft drive, but don't worry if you do buy a boat with one (or 2!) as your fears are totally unfounded as tens of thousands of happy owners over the last 40 odd years will attest.
 

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Op did not want teak. That example has half a forest of it, unless it is imitation. I would suggest that forward of the raised areas would be a bit restricted due to the flush deck. Score 2/10
Misses with the teak decks but certainly points for outside the box.

But yes, looked at the photos and either that is either brand new teak, the best maintains or artificial on the decks. Whichever I don't see any plugs indicating whatever it is is not screwed down.

I would consider teak decks if they aren't screwed down. Putting thousands of screw holes into a nice, sold glass deck is just a recipe for major headaches somewhere down the road. Glued teak on the other hand avoids that problem and the associated problem of thousands of bungs that eventually start popping out as the teak ages.

But the ad says wooden core construction??? Does that mean wood instead of foam or balsa core enclosed in glass or cedar strip saturated in epoxy or something else? Not completely clear to me.
 

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Nauticat 42 nauticatassociation.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Nauticat-42-spec.pdf is probably the closest you will get that is relatively common and in your price range - they sell +/-£200k. Teak decks of course but of a far better quality than most others use. Realistically not only is the choice very limited, but paying £200k for a boat that would now cost closer to £1m you have to accept that maintenance is a major aspect of ownership.

Moody Eclipse 43 for sale here brighton.boatshed.com/moody_eclipse_43-boat-313653.html Rather tired but nothing that £50k and a couple of skips won't fix. In many ways good to see a boat used in the way that it was designed for over 30 years!

Saildrives will not feature in this type of boat as most are shaft drive, but don't worry if you do buy a boat with one (or 2!) as your fears are totally unfounded as tens of thousands of happy owners over the last 40 odd years will attest.
Been looking at the Nauticats. Could work but even the 42 the draft is just slightly more than I would consider ideal. 1.95M would bounce except at high tide getting in and out of my mooring and could also be problematic at spots in the US ICW. Also the mast height of 65'7" is just outside US bridge specs of 64'. Would be very limiting on the US east coast. This happened to my friend that purchased a Boreal. Was just a couple of feet too tall for the US bridge specs which leaves you out of all the US east coast except right around the harbor area.

But all possible. Could live with the draft and guess it would be possible to cut the mast down a couple of feet.

And yes, saildrives only seem to be unavoidable in cats. Some monohulls use them but a minority.
 

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It normally means strip planked then Glassed on both sides. Spirit build their yachts this way along with others : strip planked hull

The decking is glued cork. It's in the description of the boat.

Berthon advert here: Koopmans Pilot House 47, MOON - Berthon International
Thanks. Seriously considered a strip planked boat in the past. Has some significant advantages while eliminating most of the rot and other problems with standard wood construction. However I did meet a guy in the yard a couple of years ago with a beautiful strip planked boat that had a leak near the keel that went undetected for some time and ended up having to replace over a square meter of bottom plus a significant area around it for feathering in the new wood.
 

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Thanks. Seriously considered a strip planked boat in the past. Has some significant advantages while eliminating most of the rot and other problems with standard wood construction. However I did meet a guy in the yard a couple of years ago with a beautiful strip planked boat that had a leak near the keel that went undetected for some time and ended up having to replace over a square meter of bottom plus a significant area around it for feathering in the new wood.
Just realised the current owners have a blog with tons of info including pictures of the construction. Sailaround Blog & Web – Annika & Björn S/V Moon

I have no connection to this yacht, I stumbled across it a while ago whist looking at possible retirement boats for the future.
 

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Nauticat 42 nauticatassociation.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Nauticat-42-spec.pdf is probably the closest you will get that is relatively common and in your price range - they sell +/-£200k. Teak decks of course but of a far better quality than most others use. Realistically not only is the choice very limited, but paying £200k for a boat that would now cost closer to £1m you have to accept that maintenance is a major aspect of ownership.

Moody Eclipse 43 for sale here brighton.boatshed.com/moody_eclipse_43-boat-313653.html Rather tired but nothing that £50k and a couple of skips won't fix. In many ways good to see a boat used in the way that it was designed for over 30 years!

Saildrives will not feature in this type of boat as most are shaft drive, but don't worry if you do buy a boat with one (or 2!) as your fears are totally unfounded as tens of thousands of happy owners over the last 40 odd years will attest.
Thanks. Had looked at the Moody you linked to and tired was my exact thought. But as you say buy for $100k, invest $50k and it could be functionally like new.

Haven't done a deep search but initial look I didn't find any Nauticat 42s listed. But enough of them out there they pop up on the market often enough.
 

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Air draught not a deal breaker
Have seen that video. Not too uncommon to heel boats to fit under a bridge but that move takes it to a whole new level.

There is a canal that cuts about 300 miles off the trip from Florida east coast to west coast but one fixed 55' bridge that blocked most sailboats. For years a local boy made a good living heeling boats through that bridge.
 

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Nauticat 42 here jryachts.com/yachts-for-sale/nauticat-42-sold/1160941 The broker, John specialises in this sort of boat - but stock is slim at the moment. Also worth looking at this broker Yachts for sale | De Valk Yacht broker , probably the biggest in up market boats in Europe.

Saildrives are actually fitted to the majority if new production boats (and many semi custom) up to about 46' in Europe and have been for some years. However, most of the boats you will be looking at, as well as being older designs are built in small volumes, have engine HP requirements greater than saildrives could handle and have hull forms that do not lend themselves easily to saildrives. However newer designs such as the Sirius as well as most HRs have saildrives particularly as the latest drives will handle up to 100HP.
 

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Then the other thing is the sail drive. Very, very few cats on the market without saildrives. Yes I know lots and lots of boats with them but just seems like a lot more to go wrong, a lot more maintenance and a lot higher risk of a catastrophic failure compared to the old fashioned prop shaft. But if I end up with a cat a sail drive may just be inevitable.
Marginally higher component count and you are locked into the saildrive maker for parts, but they are no more prone to failure than any other gearbox. The only catastrophic failure unique to them is diaphragm failure but I've never read about one failing and saildrives must have been fitted to tens of thousands of boats over 5 decades. What I am aware of is people changing diaphragms either at the manufacturer's recommended or some other arbitrary interval and finding that however cosmetically ropey the outer diaphragm may be the inner is invariably fine. Other than changing the anode and lube oil as needed there is no maintenance, given there isn't a cutless bearing or stern gland to faff around with arguably there is less maintenance.
 
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