Long term provisioning

[[194497]]

Annie Hill is the expert on this, Voyaging on a Small Income is full of details, all based on long experience.
Her biggest single tip is to get a pressure cooker and get into dried beans.

 

[lustyd]

Beans are a good option if you have something to go with them. In this regard they’re no different to pasta and rice aside from using far more gas.

Personally I’d rather save the gas as it’s harder to come by than food.

 

[geem]

Beans are a good option if you have something to go with them. In this regard they’re no different to pasta and rice aside from using far more gas.

Personally I’d rather save the gas as it’s harder to come by than food.

We solved that problem by going all electric galley

 

[lustyd]

We solved that problem by going all electric galley

Solved one problem, plain beans would still be terrible!
We don’t have the space for enough solar or battery for electric cooking, sadly, and I refuse to cook with indirect diesel.

 

[[194497]]

Beans are a good option if you have something to go with them. In this regard they’re no different to pasta and rice aside from using far more gas.

Personally I’d rather save the gas as it’s harder to come by than food.

Higher protein than rice or pasta, though. And if you take one of the quicker cooking beans, say black eyed beans, soak them overnight, then cook in a pressure cooker, they're done in about ten minutes.

 

[Sea Change]

We don’t have the space for enough solar or battery for electric cooking

What boat do you have? We had an electric galley on our 39ft Moody.

 

[lustyd]

What boat do you have? We had an electric galley on our 39ft Moody.

Sun odyssey 36.2. We live aboard so very few empty spaces

 

[Poignard]

Beans, ugh!

I'd rather have this:

 

[Sea Change]

Sun odyssey 36.2. We live aboard so very few empty spaces

One of the things that can make a bigger boat cheaper to own is the extra space.
We've got a Jeanneau ten feet longer than yours and we carry enough water for two months and enough solar and lithium to be self sufficient in power for several days at a time. We're a bit short on diesel tankage but we'll address that eventually.
Having lots of power means we can also have a lot of freezer space, so the concerns in this thread don't really apply. We can stock up with meat in St Martin and then don't have to buy any in BVI... the freezer pays for itself quickly. But yes, you need space.

 

[capnsensible]

The very best advice I ever heard on the subject was on YouTube.

“If you leave the Canaries with no food on board, you’ll still be alive when you reach the Americas. “

We stocked up on pasta and rice for our two month sabbatical and it took two years to eat the last vac pack. We didn’t buy a lot, just a couple of big bags of each. It’s surprising how far food goes.

Mebbe if you are going by boeing but how many people can go up to a month without food? Sounds a bit wrong to me.

We sailed across and back on our liveaboard boat twice. Ate well, no fridge or freezer.

 

[lustyd]

Mebbe if you are going by boeing but how many people can go up to a month without food? Sounds a bit wrong to me.

A month without food you’ll be starving but not dead. Water is obviously different.

The point was that most people will massively over provision the first time and spend weeks worrying beforehand. Nobody is suggesting that leaving with no food is sensible, just that getting it wrong isn’t such a problem as you imagine.

 

[lustyd]

One of the things that can make a bigger boat cheaper to own is the extra space

Unfortunately it was a choice between a bigger boat and retiring at 45 to sail the world. I’m sailing

 

[capnsensible]

A month without food you’ll be starving but not dead. Water is obviously different.

The point was that most people will massively over provision the first time and spend weeks worrying beforehand. Nobody is suggesting that leaving with no food is sensible, just that getting it wrong isn’t such a problem as you imagine.

Still don't believe it. You may barely survive 3 weeks, perhaps....thanks Google......but to operate a sailing vessel requires energy that you just won't have.

Having solved the food problem on a number of offshore voyages with the two of us or up to 12 crew, I'm confident in my ability to victual sufficiently for a month at sea plus spare just in case food.

It's part of the whole voyage and doesn't need to be a chore with a bit of forward thinking.

 

[Sea Change]

Unfortunately it was a choice between a bigger boat and retiring at 45 to sail the world. I’m sailing

Same here... left four years ago. I turn 45 next year

 

[lustyd]

Still don't believe it. You may barely survive 3 weeks, perhaps....thanks Google......but to operate a sailing vessel requires energy that you just won't have.

Having solved the food problem on a number of offshore voyages with the two of us or up to 12 crew, I'm confident in my ability to victual sufficiently for a month at sea plus spare just in case food.

It's part of the whole voyage and doesn't need to be a chore with a bit of forward thinking.

I fear you’ve missed the point of the statement. As an instructor I thought you’d get it immediately. It’s nothing to do with your skills, it’s about giving confidence to tge less experienced.

 

[lustyd]

Same here... left four years ago. I turn 45 next year

You either had better luck or better parents

 

[geem]

One of the things that can make a bigger boat cheaper to own is the extra space.
We've got a Jeanneau ten feet longer than yours and we carry enough water for two months and enough solar and lithium to be self sufficient in power for several days at a time. We're a bit short on diesel tankage but we'll address that eventually.
Having lots of power means we can also have a lot of freezer space, so the concerns in this thread don't really apply. We can stock up with meat in St Martin and then don't have to buy any in BVI... the freezer pays for itself quickly. But yes, you need space.

I agree. We are only 44ft over all but we have far more storage than a modern boats of the same size. The 125L holding tank is under the floor. The 800L water tank and 500L diesel tank are also under the floor. This leaves a lot of under bunk space for storage. Thr galley has more storage than out kitchen cupboards at home.
Since we don't have a boat full of bunks, we get more hanging locker space, more cupboards and a huge foredeck locker and a large lazarette.
The high output watermaker, 240l/hr, runs from the inverter. 14kw of lithium charged by 1300w of solar means all electric cooking. The generator backup hasn't been needed. We have a fridge freezer plus a second 55L two compartment fridge that can also function a freezer in any combination.
We will dedicate one section of the fridge as a freezer when we crossed the pond to fill with tuna and mahi mahi. On the last trip, we caught 70kg of fish but ate fish nearly every day as the freezer space was limited. We hope to arrive this time with a lot more fish in the freezer

 

[capnsensible]

I fear you’ve missed the point of the statement. As an instructor I thought you’d get it immediately. It’s nothing to do with your skills, it’s about giving confidence to tge less experienced.

Yeah that's why I looked up how long you can survive without food before posting a response about sailing across to America with no food. I see what your man is trying to say but in reality it's, well, nonsense.

Giving confidence is exactly what giving my experiences of sailing long distance does. For most people.

If you want any tips before you do it, just ask, happy to help.

 

[mjcoon]

Beans are a good option if you have something to go with them. In this regard they’re no different to pasta and rice aside from using far more gas.

But then beans are supposed to generate more gas too! Circular economy?

 

[Sea Change]

You either had better luck or better parents

Maybe. We set off on a boat that we had spent under £40k buying and prepping. That seems to be unusually low compared to everybody else we meet.