Lockdown sailing

[sailaboutvic]

So far nobody employed by the supermarkets (or anyone at all) has shown any interest in us both shopping together

I can't comment what's going on back home in the UK ,
but the reason they only want one person going shopping here in Sicily is because it takes up the space of another person in the shop which make the delay longer , which makes sense to me at less , when we go my partner goes in and I stay away from the queue, once out I help her take the shopping back to the boat .

 

[Lucky Duck]

I think that is perfectly understandable in smaller shops.

During our last visit to Tesco there was no queue to get in and having done our shop in relative peace we went straight to an empty check out in order to pay.

Unfortunately the website link offered above took me to kept wanting all sorts of permission beyond the standard cookie one so I never wasn't able to read it properly

 

[sailaboutvic]

Our local supermarket cornar is just as big as most UK super markets and they only let in about 15 people at a time so you can imagine if they let couples in it would mean only seven people would be shopping at any time .
We only go once a week now and found if we go late afternoon there only about 6 or 7 in front but in the car park you find cars with people waiting for their family members to come out .

 

[Lucky Duck]

So far the queue had been per trolley rather than per person.

If it changed then neither of us would want to take up two places so would just have to make a proper shopping list...

 

[AntarcticPilot]

So far nobody employed by the supermarkets (or anyone at all) has shown any interest in us both shopping together

Don't know where you are, but round Ely, every supermarket is restricting entry to 1 adult member of a family, with staff on the door to enforce it. Children too young to be left unattended are allowed. They are also enforcing limits on numbers in the store, and doing their best to ensure that the 2 metre rule can be followed by having tape marks on the floor and queuing for tills with marked intervals.

 

[mjcoon]

Apparently the latest thing on the Twitter is to complain about couples shopping together, they say only one of you should be making the trip.

Supermarkets usually allow only one inside (presumably unless required carer) so not much point travelling. Smoking in outside queue should be frowned on, too...

Mike.

 

[Blue Sunray]

Don't know where you are, but round Ely, every supermarket is restricting entry to 1 adult member of a family, with staff on the door to enforce it. Children too young to be left unattended are allowed. They are also enforcing limits on numbers in the store, and doing their best to ensure that the 2 metre rule can be followed by having tape marks on the floor and queuing for tills with marked intervals.

Round us they have put chairs outside the entrances for the supernumeraries to wait on whilst the other does the shopping.

 

[mjcoon]

It doesn't really work like that. The point about social distancing is to maintain social distance, not physical distance.

What on earth are you talking about? Class?

Mike.

 

[Hadenough]

So far the queue had been per trolley rather than per person.

If it changed then neither of us would want to take up two places so would just have to make a proper shopping list...

Which is part of the problem. People going into the supermarket and browsing FFS. Take a list, be focused, no harm in picking up something extra you see and fancy but don’t block the aisles browsing.

 

[Sadlerfin]

I was told down the marina. That a berth holder tried to leave Portsmouth harbour and the mod police gave them a £200 on the spot fine

What bit of STAY AT HOME do people not understand ???

 

[jordanbasset]

Which is part of the problem. People going into the supermarket and browsing FFS. Take a list, be focused, no harm in picking up something extra you see and fancy but don’t block the aisles browsing.

Agree, one of the good things to come out of this for me is that the shopping trip is now organised, with a list, no more wandering aimlessly up and down aisles because there may be something you hadn't thought or and more likely hadn't needed
I do get annoyed now when I see some one browsing, picking things up, mauling it and then putting it back down. In the meantime they are blocking the aisle because you cannot pass in less than 2 metres
Perhaps I am a bit anal about it

 

[NotBirdseye]

What bit of STAY AT HOME do people not understand ???

The point where... if you're not coming into contact with people I can't spread the virus or be infected so why am I being imprisoned? As long as every maintains social distance (4m away from each other) the virus will stop very quickly indeed.

Unfortunately us plebs can't be trusted (rightly so) as we tend to go on raves or mass protests... leaving the sensible ones who can maintain a distance more restricted than they have to be.

As for people saying 'well you will infect the emergency services if they have to rescue you'. That is what they are paid to do. If they don't want the job they can quit (or wear better ppe). RNLI folks do NOT have to go rescue people (they can quit). They are well aware of the current climate.

 

[mjcoon]

As for people saying 'well you will infect the emergency services if they have to rescue you'. That is what they are paid to do. If they don't want the job they can quit (or wear better ppe). RNLI folks do NOT have to go rescue people (they can quit). They are well aware of the current climate.

There, and I thought that lots of them were unpaid volunteers with a sense of duty. But I think you fail utterly to understand that quality...

Of course locked-down people doing unaccustomed DIY can be an unwanted load on the NHS too!

Mike.

 

[Lucky Duck]

Don't know where you are, but round Ely, every supermarket is restricting entry to 1 adult member of a family, with staff on the door to enforce it. Children too young to be left unattended are allowed. They are also enforcing limits on numbers in the store, and doing their best to ensure that the 2 metre rule can be followed by having tape marks on the floor and queuing for tills with marked intervals.

Suitablely chastised I will enjoy the next shopping trip from the comfort of the car park

 

[JumbleDuck]

What on earth are you talking about? Class?

Imagine a map showing where everyone in your town lives. The links between them would be geographical - "Tom and Barbara live next to Margot and Jerry in The Avenue while Dolly lives on the other side of Surbiton and Andrew lives in London." However, that doesn't take account of the facts that Tom and Margot haven't been speaking since Geraldine the goat got loose, Jerry's office is next to Andrew's, Margot stands next to Dolly in the choir and so on, and so gives a very misleading picture of who might infect whom.

So we draw a map showing social proximity rather than physical proximity - it's still face to face, of course, but short links now mean "interact a lot" rather than "live next to each other". That's the map which shows how disease is likely to spread, and we should be trying to keep the links on that - our "social distances" - as few and as long as possible.

In Ye Olde Days physical and social distance were necessarily much the same thing, but nowadays it's much more complicated. I've chatted to my neighbours across the road once (across the road) in the past three weeks, but the same two people serve me in the butchers' every time I go in.

In other words, it doesn't matter how far away or near you do things; what matters is not doing them with other people.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Which is part of the problem. People going into the supermarket and browsing FFS. Take a list, be focused, no harm in picking up something extra you see and fancy but don’t block the aisles browsing.

No point taking a list here, because a third of the stuff would be missing and another third would be useless because of the third that was missing. We just browse and grab what we can.

 

[Aquaboy]

I think this thread Daft thing you've done ---- while sailing / on boat ! ....... maybe the reason for......... errrrrr this thread!

 

[Triassic]

I really have to question these people who try to describe sailing as exercise. Sure, if you sail a Moth or some other kind of really hot dinghy, or perhaps have an AC boat kicking around the garage, you might have some kind of argument but driving down to the local marina so you can cast off and drift around the Solent on a nice spring afternoon is not exercise, it's recreational activity.

If you live in a high rise block or some other rabbit hole somewhere with four other people I totally get you need to get out and about at least once a day, not just to exercise your legs but to clear the mind and stop going bonkers. That's common sense and the government displayed some in permitting it under the regulations. I'm lucky enough to live with my wife with a bit of space around us and I haven't had to leave the premises to get exercise. I want to, but I don't need to, so I haven't. That's also common sense.

Don't try and convince us sailing can be safe, we already know it is, both in terms of not needing the RNLI every five minutes and in terms of Covid-19. Not sailing is being responsible, it's recognising how important it is as a society that we try and deal with this Pandemic together and each and every one of us doing all we can to control it. Just because some twat breaks Lockdown, or the rules and circumstances in another country are different, isn't an excuse to follow suit.

 

[dgadee]

Imagine a map showing where everyone in your town lives. The links between them would be geographical - "Tom and Barbara live next to Margot and Jerry in The Avenue while Dolly lives on the other side of Surbiton and Andrew lives in London." However, that doesn't take account of the facts that Tom and Margot haven't been speaking since Geraldine the goat got loose, Jerry's office is next to Andrew's, Margot stands next to Dolly in the choir and so on, and so gives a very misleading picture of who might infect whom.

So we draw a map showing social proximity rather than physical proximity - it's still face to face, of course, but short links now mean "interact a lot" rather than "live next to each other". That's the map which shows how disease is likely to spread, and we should be trying to keep the links on that - our "social distances" as long as possible.

In Ye Olde Days physical and social distance were necessarily much the same thing, but nowadays it's much more complicated. I've chatted to my neighbours across the road once (across the road) in the past three weeks, but the same two people serve me in the butchers' every time I go in.

In other words, it doesn't matter how far or near you do things; what matters is not doing them with other people.

Years ago I was in Uruguay and being shown software used by the police there (I never imagined it would not be used back at home). They were mapping individuals known to them and their social contacts and showed us an onscreen map with all the relationship information clearly set out. So I presume the systems are being used here. Gather data from the mobile phone companies and, hey presto, you have a mapping system which both maps virus transmission and offers something that dictatorships in the past would have loved. That's what the Chinese seem to be using.

While I'm on that track, a few years ago I was in Romanian woods with their equivalent of special branch and the US secret service having a barbecue of illegally shot deer. Not my usual academic conference. But they were all laughing at how they would pick up a suspected miscreant, take their personal belongings away while they were being interrogated for something they didn't do, put spy software on their mobiles and then let them go.

Scott McNealy had it correct when he said, "You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it." Or is that lounge material?

 

[NotBirdseye]

A volunteer has the ability to quit as does a paramedic. If they don't want to get in the water to save me, that's a risk I knew I was taking when I stepped aboard the vessel in the first place. Lets not under rate these people but it's ultimately their call whether they want to save someone and they shouldn't be putting out statements about how they fear for their own safety. I repeat. They don't have to go and I wouldn't expect them to.