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Wind Assisted F*&%ing Idiots
Lobster Pots !!
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Wind Assisted F*&%ing Idiots
Seven Spades
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Does anyone know how many boats have been hooked up on pots and rescued by Solent coastguard this year? I think I have heard a Pan Pan just about every weekend I have been out this year. This year it has been worse that any I can remember.
Rigger Mortice
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As an ex-fisherman perhaps you could make a useful contribution to this thread?
fisherman
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I've contributed to these threads over the last few years, you can find my posts in the links in post#10. In re 'the law' there is no law about marking gear except within QHM jurisdiction, and outside territorial waters within EU waters. (http://archive.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/fisheries/documents/fisheries/gearmarking-guidance.pdf).
I suggest that if QHM regs are being broken you lobby the QHM to get the gear brought in, he would issue a notice for the owners to claim it, when they could be reminded of their responsibilities.
There are also issues with the way some pros rig their gear, it's not vindictive, but I'm sure that opening a dialogue via the Sea Fishery officer, your council's employee, and the MMO, that issues notices to fishermen all the time would be fruitful. Then you only have to deal with the unlicensed marine pikeys fishing for beer money.
I suggest that if QHM regs are being broken you lobby the QHM to get the gear brought in, he would issue a notice for the owners to claim it, when they could be reminded of their responsibilities.
There are also issues with the way some pros rig their gear, it's not vindictive, but I'm sure that opening a dialogue via the Sea Fishery officer, your council's employee, and the MMO, that issues notices to fishermen all the time would be fruitful. Then you only have to deal with the unlicensed marine pikeys fishing for beer money.
Giblets
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Which, I suspect, are the majority of owners of the pots laid in the Solent!
My experience of this type is that they don't give a toss about any rules and have even been know to threaten "officials" when challenged!
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Greenheart
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Well done, Mr Fisherman...you may have engendered a nicely appropriate disrespectful acronym...
...if we're WAFIs, they're GUMPISPOCs...Grubby Unlicensed Marine Pikeys In Singleminded Pursuit Of Cash...or just GUMPies...
Perfect really - it's shallow, insulting, sweeping and may well be without a sound general basis. Just like saying "WAFI".
fisherman
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FRUMPies: friggin unlicensed marine pikeys.
simon barefoot
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There's a lot of people complaining that pots are not sufficiently marked. I agree that some are desperately poorly marked, but even the best marked strings will get dragged under the surface at some states of the tide. The sea is not a playground, there are some hazards that are a result of people earning a living. Responsible fishermen do their utmost to mitigate this but all boaters must acknowledge that a risk remains.
Several people have complained about pots being laid somewhere where they want to anchor, but that to me is similar to people complaining that they wanted to wander willy-nilly along a road but people insisted on using cars there.
Theres a lot of pots out there, theres a lot of rocks/sandbanks/ big waves etc. It's just a part of the sea.
Several people have complained about pots being laid somewhere where they want to anchor, but that to me is similar to people complaining that they wanted to wander willy-nilly along a road but people insisted on using cars there.
Theres a lot of pots out there, theres a lot of rocks/sandbanks/ big waves etc. It's just a part of the sea.
jac
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Which, I suspect, are the majority of owners of the pots laid in the Solent!
My experience of this type is that they don't give a toss about any rules and have even been know to threaten "officials" when challenged!
+1
And love FRUMPies
fisherman
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Won't make much odds if their gear is ashore locked away awaiting collection. That's what any self respecting HM does for rubbish left where it shouldn't be, disposed of after two weeks if unclaimed.
Seajet
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Fisherman,
I respect you as ' one of the good ones ' but where does this confiscation of gear actually happen ?
Certainly not around anywhere I've been !
Instead I've found fishing boats deliberately making a wash to damage yachts against walls - as well as laying pots in obviously dangerous places - and harbour staff who are their chums.
simon barefoot
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Instead I've found fishing boats deliberately making a wash to damage yachts against walls -
They don't deserve the chance to go to sea and do a great job. Vandals.
They don't deserve the chance to go to sea and do a great job. Vandals.
simon barefoot
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Hmm, the quote isn't shown as yours Seajet, sorry!
Rigger Mortice
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I must have missed that one, but I don't recall anyone objecting to pots being laid where they want to anchor. Where was that said?
AFAIK peeps have simply been complaining about poorly marked pots. Some locations have been mentioned such as fairways and the inner route at Portland but that is because those locations are obviously (to some!) innappropriate for unmarked pots to be laid.
fisherman
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Possibly where the HM is lobbied, as I suggested, to encourage him to enforce local byelaws/regs and to DO HIS JOB!
C'mon guys, 14 pages of ranting on here, as usual, And I suspect not one letter/phone call to complain where it might count, where it might actually get a result.
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Giblets
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When on Harbour Womble duty we used to ask boaters to report the positions of rogue pots to QHM Portsmouth on Ch 11. Many promises to do so but very, very few actual reports.
Tranona
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I hope you are not suggesting that HMs and fishery Officers don't know about this problem - and if only they were made aware of it they would do something about!
There is nothing new, and of course they all know about but are unable or unwilling to do anything about it. Just look lower down this forum at the closed fouled sterngear threads - almost 100 of them reporting this issue. There have been well publicised CHIRP reports, recommendations from coroners reports etc etc drawing their attention to the dangers. I have been sailing between Poole and the Solent for over 30 years and nothing has changed - except there are now even more poorly marked pots littering the logical route from the Solent to Old Harry.
I don't care whether the fishermen who do this are legitimate or "marine pikeys" - their gear still snags my stern gear because it is often impossible to see them in time to take avoiding action.
Some people here ask for "respect" from leisure users of the sea - but it is other users who cause the problem because of THEIR lack of respect.
fisherman
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It's not part of the Fishery Officer's remit, but he could be an avenue for communication.
It is part of the HM's remit, he needs reminding of his responsibilities.
It is part of the HM's remit, he needs reminding of his responsibilities.
Tranona
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However, all the pot markers I am complaining about are not within the harbourmaster's jurisdiction - but just outside. There is no problem within the harbour - maybe because there is nothing worth catching with pots!
However you look at it the problem is caused by inconsiderate people and even though there is a code of practice, there is no effective means of enforcing it. It is naive to think that the people who do it don't that know what they are doing causes trouble for others - they just don't seem to care.
Sandyman
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Of course they don't care. Why should they ? They are professional fishermen. They own the sea just as taxi drivers own the roads.
