Littlehampton filmed by £2,500 drone

This drone craze is not going to last

Sooner or later some idiot will fly one into Buckingham Palace or similar and then they will be banned (except under close control)

or a terrorist will get there first
 
davidej said:
This drone craze is not going to last

Sooner or later some idiot will fly one into Buckingham Palace or similar and then they will be banned (except under close control)

or a terrorist will get there first
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the cat is out of the bag

you can buy them so cheaply that they will be impossible to control

they will get smaller and cheaper all the time

I understand they can set up a barrier around sensitive sites [airports etc) that stop the controls from working.
 
Well, I can see that a "drone" can give some amazing angles. That said, I seriously don't think Dylan is got anything to be concerned about, not that I would think he is concerned either.
I find these kind of these kind of vids very very samey (if thats a word). As a tool, yes. Edit these shots in, but they seriously need to be a compliment......... Maybe its just still a novelty which in my humble opinion is wearing a bit thin...... Just Saying'. Jack
 
davidej said:
This drone craze is not going to last

Sooner or later some idiot will fly one into Buckingham Palace or similar and then they will be banned (except under close control)

or a terrorist will get there first
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You want to get yourself DroneShield...!
 
There was a thread on here a little while ago about the residents of an American town requesting an ' open season ' hunting licence on drones so as to blast away - probably with 20mm Oerlikons - to protect their privacy...:rolleyes:
 
dylanwinter said:
the cat is out of the bag

you can buy them so cheaply that they will be impossible to control

they will get smaller and cheaper all the time

I understand they can set up a barrier around sensitive sites [airports etc) that stop the controls from working.
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It's frankly a ridiculous situation,, Any punter can get one and fly werefer and whenever with no restrictions... But if you get paid for the pictures from one you need a "permission" which requires certification on a two day (not cheap) course Whic is type specific, this needs to be annually renewed, plus of course you need all the internal paperwork etc as well...

The machine itself is a tiny part of the costs involved.

Btw... That same 4k camera can now also be had on the phantom 3 I think... Which is around £1100.

It's a two edged sword for folks like us... On the one hand we can't compete agains the hobby guys... But our customers are coming to expect it. I don't want to invest all that money on something which is getting cheaper and cheaper.... And a cliche.
 
photodog said:
It's frankly a ridiculous situation,, Any punter can get one and fly werefer and whenever with no restrictions... But if you get paid for the pictures from one you need a "permission" which requires certification on a two day (not cheap) course Whic is type specific, this needs to be annually renewed, plus of course you need all the internal paperwork etc as well...

The machine itself is a tiny part of the costs involved.

Btw... That same 4k camera can now also be had on the phantom 3 I think... Which is around £1100.

It's a two edged sword for folks like us... On the one hand we can't compete agains the hobby guys... But our customers are coming to expect it. I don't want to invest all that money on something which is getting cheaper and cheaper.... And a cliche.
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It has always been so

perhaps you will have to give them the drone images for free and charge for the stills you shot on the day

as a hack I still get paid for words but images are free

time was an okay image was worth £50 and a good one was £100

the world changes

I think that a drone would be great for my films (given away free of course). I think that to see the boat working its way up the Cree would be marvelous.

Perhaps one day every hack will earn a crust by charity paypal taps with Google taking the advertising revenue from the views - oh hang on.....I am here already
 
dylanwinter said:
It has always been so

perhaps you will have to give them the drone images for free and charge for the stills you shot on the day

as a hack I still get paid for words but images are free

time was an okay image was worth £50 and a good one was £100

the world changes

I think that a drone would be great for my films (given away free of course). I think that to see the boat working its way up the Cree would be marvelous.

Perhaps one day every hack will earn a crust by charity paypal taps with Google taking the advertising revenue from the views - oh hang on.....I am here already
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Believe me, I have thought of that... But the definition the CAA uses is so broad... (I can't recall the exact words) that there really is no way around it.... If the end product is destined for commercial use... Then you have to go down that route... In reality it's so broad that I think if you shoot it to put on youtube, with the knowledge that youtube will monetise the video, then it needs a permission from the CAA.

The quality is just gonna get better... There is a new camera from blackmagic with a super 16 chip, that records in prores 422.. Specifically designed to be used on drones...
 
There's a lot of complete misunderstanding surrounding the laws on these. The CAA regard any plane manned or unmanned as a plane, not a toy, mdel or otherwise. Use is regulated by the Air Navigation Order. The CAA publish a good guide document on model flying here: CAP658 that can be downloaded here: http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=detail&id=5631

True, anyone can get a drone and fly wherever they like. But, not necesarily legally. It's debateable if the video of Littlehampton breaks the law. Article 167 of the Air Navigation Order says:

Article 167 – Small unmanned surveillance aircraft
‘(1) The person in charge of a small unmanned surveillance aircraft must not fly the aircraft in any of the circumstances described in paragraph (2) except in
accordance with a perm ission issued by the CAA.
(2) The circumstances referred to in paragraph (1) are:
(a) over or within 150 metres of any congested area;
(b) over or within 150 metres of an organised open-air assembly of more than 1,000 persons;
(c) within 50 metres of any vessel, vehicle or structure which is not under the control of the person in charge of the aircraft; or
(d) subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), within 50 metres of any person.
(3) Subject to paragraph (4), during take-off or landing, a small unmanned surveillance aircraft must not be flown within 30 metres of any person.
(4) Paragraphs (2)(d) and (3) do not apply to the person in charge of the small unmanned surveillance aircraft or a person under the control of the person in charge of the aircraft.

It's quite possible that the drone pilot broke paras 2c & 3.

This is not when it's being operated commercially.

As a toy plane flyer for over 40 years, I've been able to fly pretty much what I want with very few controls. I've always flown within the law & far away from people, vessels etc etc. With the increasing popularity of drones carrying cameras, it's IMO only a matter of time before even more laws start to be imposed, restricting those responsible flyers who fly within the law.
 
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I can see this sort of think appealing more and more to drone enthusiasts alone as everyone else nods that it is novel, then moves on.

Personally I would still much rather see the world from the position of a human eye - preferably filmed from the deck of a sail boat, accompanied by some acoustic music not electronic white noise.
 
wooslehunter said:
There's a lot of complete misunderstanding surrounding the laws on these. The CAA regard any plane manned or unmanned as a plane, not a toy, mdel or otherwise. Use is regulated by the Air Navigation Order. The CAA publish a good guide document on model flying here: CAP658 that can be downloaded here: http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=detail&id=5631

True, anyone can get a drone and fly wherever they like. But, not necesarily legally. It's debateable if the video of Littlehampton breaks the law. Article 167 of the Air Navigation Order says:

Article 167 – Small unmanned surveillance aircraft
‘(1) The person in charge of a small unmanned surveillance aircraft must not fly the aircraft in any of the circumstances described in paragraph (2) except in
accordance with a perm ission issued by the CAA.
(2) The circumstances referred to in paragraph (1) are:
(a) over or within 150 metres of any congested area;
(b) over or within 150 metres of an organised open-air assembly of more than 1,000 persons;
(c) within 50 metres of any vessel, vehicle or structure which is not under the control of the person in charge of the aircraft; or
(d) subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), within 50 metres of any person.
(3) Subject to paragraph (4), during take-off or landing, a small unmanned surveillance aircraft must not be flown within 30 metres of any person.
(4) Paragraphs (2)(d) and (3) do not apply to the person in charge of the small unmanned surveillance aircraft or a person under the control of the person in charge of the aircraft.

It's quite possible that the drone pilot broke paras 2c & 3.

This is not when it's being operated commercially.

As a toy plane flyer for over 40 years, I've been able to fly pretty much what I want with very few controls. I've always flown within the law & far away from people, vessels etc etc. With the increasing popularity of drones carrying cameras, it's IMO only a matter of time before even more laws start to be imposed, restricting those responsible flyers who fly within the law.
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There used to be something about weight, for model aircraft.. 7lbs, was it , before various laws applied?
 
gjgm said:
There used to be something about weight, for model aircraft.. 7lbs, was it , before various laws applied?
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Nope, not for drones. It's whether you're being paid or not. With proper camera manufacturers bringing out kit like the Alexa Mini designed for drones - they're here to stay.
 
dylanwinter said:
It has always been so

perhaps you will have to give them the drone images for free and charge for the stills you shot on the day

as a hack I still get paid for words but images are free

time was an okay image was worth £50 and a good one was £100

the world changes

I think that a drone would be great for my films (given away free of course). I think that to see the boat working its way up the Cree would be marvelous.

Perhaps one day every hack will earn a crust by charity paypal taps with Google taking the advertising revenue from the views - oh hang on.....I am here already
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I bought a drone from a stall at a trade show because I was bored.

40 euros, records 720p50 H.264, easy to fly, harder mode for doing acrobatics, 400m range - fits in the palm of your hand

Picture quality is a bit carp compared to say a GoPro, but less fish eyed and usable for holiday videos on Facebook.
 
gjgm said:
There used to be something about weight, for model aircraft.. 7lbs, was it , before various laws applied?
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As soon as you put a camera on, it becomes a surveillance aircraft and Article 167 applies. We have a drone, its great for what we want to do - and fully insured for £3M third party liability if you are using it within the rules. I fancied getting a pair of Zeiss Cinimizers to fly it - but that too is illegal as another CAA Article says you have to have direct line of sight.
Recent prosecution I saw was in Barrow when someone flew one over the sub base - whoops!
 
AngusMcDoon said:
As usual with Vimeo, it gets to 2 seconds, stalls, I wait for 3 minutes, I get another second, it stalls again, and I give up.

Fantastic video quality, for the 3s I got.
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I fear that you are being left behind in the digital age

I have a few KTL followers who ask me to send them the DVDs

the last one goes out for freemans and people paid what they wished for it

worked okay

D
 
wooslehunter said:
There's a lot of complete misunderstanding surrounding the laws on these. The CAA regard any plane manned or unmanned as a plane, not a toy, mdel or otherwise. Use is regulated by the Air Navigation Order. The CAA publish a good guide document on model flying here: CAP658 that can be downloaded here: http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=detail&id=5631

True, anyone can get a drone and fly wherever they like. But, not necesarily legally. It's debateable if the video of Littlehampton breaks the law. Article 167 of the Air Navigation Order says:

Article 167 – Small unmanned surveillance aircraft
‘(1) The person in charge of a small unmanned surveillance aircraft must not fly the aircraft in any of the circumstances described in paragraph (2) except in
accordance with a perm ission issued by the CAA.
(2) The circumstances referred to in paragraph (1) are:
(a) over or within 150 metres of any congested area;
(b) over or within 150 metres of an organised open-air assembly of more than 1,000 persons;
(c) within 50 metres of any vessel, vehicle or structure which is not under the control of the person in charge of the aircraft; or
(d) subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), within 50 metres of any person.
(3) Subject to paragraph (4), during take-off or landing, a small unmanned surveillance aircraft must not be flown within 30 metres of any person.
(4) Paragraphs (2)(d) and (3) do not apply to the person in charge of the small unmanned surveillance aircraft or a person under the control of the person in charge of the aircraft.

It's quite possible that the drone pilot broke paras 2c & 3.

This is not when it's being operated commercially.

As a toy plane flyer for over 40 years, I've been able to fly pretty much what I want with very few controls. I've always flown within the law & far away from people, vessels etc etc. With the increasing popularity of drones carrying cameras, it's IMO only a matter of time before even more laws start to be imposed, restricting those responsible flyers who fly within the law.
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Unusually for this sort of video, it looked compliant to me. Pretty tedious though.
 
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