Little Help needed / Trip NL to Holy Island

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Hi there,

first please excuse my terrible english, I am a Kraut with some questions :-)

We are planning to have a trip from Netherlands to UK´s east coast this August.
Boat is a Sirius 26, draft 1.3 m, "long keel":-)
While exploiting the charts I noted that there are not that much deep water harbours on our way, anchoring at winds from eastern directions will be poorly swallow or impossible if the winds are increasing.
How are you managing the harbour setup? Is the bottom that soft that the keel will grab into it or do you use a kind og "boat legs":-) ?

Can you give me some hints about the harbours on our way? At present we are planning to go Den Helder- Whitby, depending on weather and our condition can be also A´dam Lowestoft or Grimsby before we will heading North.

I am not a specialist in cruising the British Waters either:-), what kind of equipment I´ll need to do this trip? In NL or at the German Isles we have tidal waters also, so I am planning to go with the actual Reeds, long ropes, for anchoring I have a Danforth anchor with 10m chain and 30 m rope ( is this enough or would you recommend to add a second anchor like a bruce )?

I aprecciate your help,

Best regards,

Thorsten
 
Hi Thorsten and welcome,

With your draught, the only significant harbour you need worry about depth is, I think, Bridlington where you'd be berthed against a quay wall and the bottom is mud. Parts of Scarborough also dry but again not usually a problem. Whitby is fine and there's a deep water anchorage at Lindisfarne (Holy Island).

There is a lack of all weather anchorages and the North East coast is very exposed and unforgiving. Many of the harbours are unsafe to enter or exist in bad weather with onshore winds. Just something to be aware of, it's not a coast where you want to take a chance on the weather

A good source of information is http://www.visitmyharbour.com/harbours/north-east-england/?pg=1&

Even though my name is Bruce I can't recommend a Bruce anchor! Had one on our 27 footer and it was nowhere near as good as the CQRs on the previous and present boats. The Danforth should be adequate in reasonable weather but something like a Plastimo Kobra (which performs remarkably well in anchor tests despite being much cheaper than the competition) or one of the expensive second generation anchors would be better for serious anchoring.

Hope that helps
Bru
 
As Bru said, the North East isn't the best part of our coast. Den Helder to Whitby isn't a crossing i would want to make. I would cross to Lowestoft and head South or sail or sail South along the Dutch coast and cross over to Harwich and explore from that area.
 
PaulRainbow said:
As Bru said, the North East isn't the best part of our coast. Den Helder to Whitby isn't a crossing i would want to make. I would cross to Lowestoft and head South or sail or sail South along the Dutch coast and cross over to Harwich and explore from that area.
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OP seems to want to go North, not South. We are planning round the UK (got elderly dogs still) and I'm quite looking forward to the East.
Thorsten, with proper planning I'm sure you'll have fun. If you do go to Lowestoft bear in mind that it's a long trip from Lowestoft to Whitby. Harbours between the two are few and far between and you may have to take the ground but once at Whitby there are several stopping spots although some are better than others!
There are lots of sailors on the East coast, if you are already used to the North Sea it really isn't a problem.
 
Champagne Murphy said:
OP seems to want to go North, not South.
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Yes, i read that. I also read that he has a 26ft boat and has not been to the UK before.

Do you seriously think that for a first time North Sea crossing and a first visit to the UK a 200nm passage across the Northern North Sea, followed by cruising the North East UK coast, would be the best plan ?
 
I would recommend Wells Next the Sea. The entrance to the harbour is challenging and requires study of the charts in advance of the journey - I assume your boat has an engine? The visitors berth is floating pontoon with adequate depth. Arrive as close to high tide as possible.
Grimsby is a good marina with pontoon moorings and the yacht club has some friendly people. The beer is not very good but it is cheap. The town of Grimsby is not nice but Cleethorpes is a short distance by bus or bicycle and worth a visit to see a British seaside town. You need to arrive depart 2 hours each side of high tide to pass through the open lock gates on free flow. outside that you have to pay to lock in and on springs there can be a time when the lock cannot be operated.
Hull is possibly worth a visit . Again the moorings are floating pontoons. Hull is a ''city of culture'' throughout 2017. The lock operates 3 hrs each side of high tide.
 
PaulRainbow said:
Yes, i read that. I also read that he has a 26ft boat and has not been to the UK before.

Do you seriously think that for a first time North Sea crossing and a first visit to the UK a 200nm passage across the Northern North Sea, followed by cruising the North East UK coast, would be the best plan ?
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I suggested nothing of the sort, I simply tried to answer his questions which were not about the crossing (for all we know he may be an expert at crossing oceans in his craft), but about conditions and facilities when he gets here.
 
MartynG said:
I would recommend Wells Next the Sea. The entrance to the harbour is challenging and requires study of the charts in advance of the journey - I assume your boat has an engine? The visitors berth is floating pontoon with adequate depth. Arrive as close to high tide as possible.
Grimsby is a good marina with pontoon moorings and the yacht club has some friendly people. The beer is not very good but it is cheap. The town of Grimsby is not nice but Cleethorpes is a short distance by bus or bicycle and worth a visit to see a British seaside town. You need to arrive depart 2 hours each side of high tide to pass through the open lock gates on free flow. outside that you have to pay to lock in and on springs there can be a time when the lock cannot be operated.
Hull is possibly worth a visit . Again the moorings are floating pontoons. Hull is a ''city of culture'' throughout 2017. The lock operates 3 hrs each side of high tide.
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Can I just point out that Kingston Upon Hull is the UK city of culture 2017 (and it's well worth visiting).
 
Yorkshire Exile said:
Can I just point out that Kingston Upon Hull is the UK city of culture 2017 (and it's well worth visiting).
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I had some relatives that lived in Hull
Apparently a long distant relation of mine on my grandmother's side bought disgrace to the family. He was military band master of Hull ( I think that was the title, but he was the band master). That was deemed in its day to be a very important social position.
On one occasion they had to perform at the opening of a new part of the docks at Hull. Unfortunately he got too close to the edge & fell in whilst leading the band.
The matter was hushed up in the family so I have never got to find the full story.
 
To continue the story...

First I want to say "thanks" to all of you, some posts helped a bit:-)

Decision has been made, I have talked to my crew and we decided to k´make that trip to Whitby and then heading north.

Already made a list what might be needful:
Actual charts, Imray or Admiralty, what would you recommend?
Tidal kalendars and current charts also
Actual Reeds
Quite solid anchoring gear, two anchors, one 10kg Danforth , one Kobra as Bru recommended
Enough ropes and fenders
Canned beer from NL:-)

Someone knows a good chard dealer in UK? Might be much cheaper as to order here....

Best,

Thorsten
 
Charts - either. Imray these days fold up better, so easier for stowage. You could also go with folios - both make them. Might be easier to stick with one make as the colour schemes are different, but other than that you can mix and match depending on level of detail. You will be able to buy in most chandlers over here, but if you want a head start then there are plenty of online chandlers who will help. Reeds has plenty of chartlets.
Tidal calenders etc. - Reeds has everything you need. Additionally there is a great app called Absolute Tides which is worth considering.
Anchoring - yes, though I would be tempted with a bit more scope than 10m+30m.
 
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