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alant said:
Any vessel registered under the Merchant Shipping Act, has the same operating rules. Being "unaware" aint an excuse, so 'you' are as responsible for any crew, as the HL skipper.
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You misunderstand me-I am not, and have no intention of being under these operating rules. As I dont own or operate a training school boat I would have no reason to be aware. Now I am, and having just read the Dungeness Lifeboat's report I am even happier that the issue is under scrutiny in a court. To put the crew and vessel in that situation which was avoidable is something that requires examination and censure if appropriate.
 
Talulah said:
I have on one occasion done a PAN PAN to Solent Coastguard requesting medical advice.
Coming back across Channel in lumpy seas I had a crew member in tears because her back was playing up. I found out then that she had a history of back trouble.
One of my primary reasons for the call was because of litigation issues. There was nothing much that could be done other than Paracetamol and making the crew member as comfortable as possible. However, in the back of my mind I was thinking about any criticsm that could follow should her situation deteriate and I had not done anything.
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Ah - one option would be for the CG to helicopter her off? But you're right - quite likely that it would be confined to quarters for the trip then met by an ambulance when ashore - I suppose this is the difference in taking paying guests - you don't have any clue as to their medical condition ...

I am careful to tell skipper and crew that I often get seasick - but I'm fine, just a bottle of water and I'll carry on ... If crewing for someone and away for an overnight then I'll let the skipper know some more of my medical background - just incase I get carted off and unable to inform the docs myself.
 
rotrax said:
You misunderstand me-I am not, and have no intention of being under these operating rules. As I dont own or operate a training school boat I would have no reason to be aware. Now I am, and having just read the Dungeness Lifeboat's report I am even happier that the issue is under scrutiny in a court. To put the crew and vessel in that situation which was avoidable is something that requires examination and censure if appropriate.
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"and have no intention of being under these operating rules"

:confused:

Are you saying, that in charge of a yacht, registered under the Merchaant Shipping Act, you intend to ignore the law? They don't just apply to commercial vessels.
 
fireball said:
Ah - one option would be for the CG to helicopter her off? But you're right - quite likely that it would be confined to quarters for the trip then met by an ambulance when ashore - I suppose this is the difference in taking paying guests - you don't have any clue as to their medical condition ...

I am careful to tell skipper and crew that I often get seasick - but I'm fine, just a bottle of water and I'll carry on ... If crewing for someone and away for an overnight then I'll let the skipper know some more of my medical background - just incase I get carted off and unable to inform the docs myself.
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Any skipper, should be aware of any medical conditions/pills/portions, involving crew, if going offshore, part of your duty of care to them & any others. Doesn't need to be public knowledge, but there is a need to know before deciding to proceed.
 
alant said:
Any skipper, should be aware of any medical conditions/pills/portions, involving crew, if going offshore,
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To a degree - I would say that only relevant medical conditions need be disclosed ...
Relevant as in, if you get taken ill and the emergency crew/docs don't know about it then it will have an impact ...
 
fireball said:
To a degree - I would say that only relevant medical conditions need be disclosed ...
Relevant as in, if you get taken ill and the emergency crew/docs don't know about it then it will have an impact ...
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Not simply that, but a skipper needs to know what might affect the running of the boat, should any condition kick off. Down one crew member + any needed to look after them, can debilitate any crew left.
 
Hot off the press. The judge has ordered that they are both acquitted of four of the seven charges against them. The remaining three relating to weather forecasts and risk assessments remain for consideration by the jury.
 
alant said:
Any skipper, should be aware of any medical conditions/pills/portions, involving crew, if going offshore, part of your duty of care to them & any others. Doesn't need to be public knowledge, but there is a need to know before deciding to proceed.
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Cripes, given the age and state of health of most of my crew it would take most of the day to list all conditions/pills/potions and what to do about any of them.
 
michaelchapman said:
I think this refers to the fact that there was no light built into the steering compass (or there was but it was not working).
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Ah - and difficult to prove that it wasn't working when they set out I guess - because CS can hardly be blamed for it not working after a significant pooping!
 
alant said:
Absolutely essential to steering in those conditions! :rolleyes:
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Is it really?
Depends whether the boat has an electronic compass, and you might be steering to manage the waves rather than worrying about your mag heading in the short term.
 
alant said:
"and have no intention of being under these operating rules"

:confused:

Are you saying, that in charge of a yacht, registered under the Merchaant Shipping Act, you intend to ignore the law? They don't just apply to commercial vessels.
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My vessel is SSR reg. As far as I an aware I have a duty to comply with all sorts of things-SOLAS for example. In my mere 10 years of sailing it has never been suggested that the Merchant Shipping Act refers to hobby yachtsmen. Perhaps you can confirm and if so expand.
 
lw395 said:
Is it really?
Depends whether the boat has an electronic compass, and you might be steering to manage the waves rather than worrying about your mag heading in the short term.
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My comment was sarcasm!
Hence the :rolleyes:

Under those conditions, other than general heading, you would be steering to the conditions.
 
alant said:
My comment was sarcasm!
Hence the :rolleyes:

Under those conditions, other than general heading, you would be steering to the conditions.
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I did wonder.
The compass light is something that I would want to work.
When the wheels start coming off, I like the basics to work, but few things are essential.
Without a compass you can read, it makes it difficult to communicate sensibly with the helmsman about the course.
If you can't trust a light bulb to work, are you going to trust the 'sophisticated' electronics?
 
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