jimi
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... and CS is off for a sail to Iceland in his Anderson 22
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/marine/highseas_forecast.html#Storms~All
Liquid Vortex trial starts
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... and CS is off for a sail to Iceland in his Anderson 22
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/marine/highseas_forecast.html#Storms~All
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A sailing school boss and skipper have been acquitted of four of seven charges regarding a yacht rescue in the Channel.
The owner of Hot Liquid Sailing, Jason Manning, and Charles Sturrock, who was the skipper of Liquid Vortex, a Bénéteau First 40.7 owned by Hot Liquid, had faced three counts and four counts respectively of negligence under the Merchant Shipping Act.
A judge at Southampton Crown Court ordered the jury to return a not guilty verdict for four of the charges against the pair relating to standard operating procedures. The judge said there was not sufficient evidence to take the charges further.
Manning, 36, of Eastleigh, and Sturrock, 50, of Shropshire, still face three charges relating to failing to identify risks to the yacht and crew. Manning and Sturrock deny all the charges.
Earlier in the case, which has run for almost two weeks, the court heard how some of Liquid Vortex's crew suffered from hypothermia and seasickness after Sturrock set sail with forecast high winds.
The five had each paid £225 to sail from Southampton to London and were expecting to arrive in time for the London Boat Show in January.
The boat was rescued off Dungeness by an RNLI lifeboat and some crew were airlifted to safety.
The trial continues.
The owner of Hot Liquid Sailing, Jason Manning, and Charles Sturrock, who was the skipper of Liquid Vortex, a Bénéteau First 40.7 owned by Hot Liquid, had faced three counts and four counts respectively of negligence under the Merchant Shipping Act.
A judge at Southampton Crown Court ordered the jury to return a not guilty verdict for four of the charges against the pair relating to standard operating procedures. The judge said there was not sufficient evidence to take the charges further.
Manning, 36, of Eastleigh, and Sturrock, 50, of Shropshire, still face three charges relating to failing to identify risks to the yacht and crew. Manning and Sturrock deny all the charges.
Earlier in the case, which has run for almost two weeks, the court heard how some of Liquid Vortex's crew suffered from hypothermia and seasickness after Sturrock set sail with forecast high winds.
The five had each paid £225 to sail from Southampton to London and were expecting to arrive in time for the London Boat Show in January.
The boat was rescued off Dungeness by an RNLI lifeboat and some crew were airlifted to safety.
The trial continues.
fireball
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Blimey - we have to keep repeating old news don't we!
A1Sailor
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Pay attention at the back!
bitbaltic
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pugwash94
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What has happened to the posts on this topic?
I am puzzled about the sudden silence?
I am puzzled about the sudden silence?
Tranona
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'cos there is nothing sensible to say until the outcome of the court case is known.
Seajet
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Of course. With such an all-weather passage maker, why wouldn't he?
Well it would be his first sensible move in a while; the keels stay on, dont'ya know !
Tidewaiter2
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an Anderson 22 is OK, but ...
... a Wayfarer in cruising mode* might suit a SOLO CS's 'up and at 'em' style better-but Frank Dye, like Blondie Haslar("...drown like a gentleman"), never expected rescue, and Frank did not carry vhf or flares on many of his trips.
*(I see Ralph finally did the whole Baltic from November's PBO- wonder how his joints are? Mine made us seek a lid and decent cushions, and Waffies are so Bl@@dy heavy to haul up slipways!!!
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Well it would be his first sensible move in a while; the keels stay on, dont'ya know !
... a Wayfarer in cruising mode* might suit a SOLO CS's 'up and at 'em' style better-but Frank Dye, like Blondie Haslar("...drown like a gentleman"), never expected rescue, and Frank did not carry vhf or flares on many of his trips.
*(I see Ralph finally did the whole Baltic from November's PBO- wonder how his joints are?
Mine made us seek a lid and decent cushions, and Waffies are so Bl@@dy heavy to haul up slipways!!!)pugwash94
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That hasn't stopped anyone so far.
Tidewaiter2
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viago
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its nice to now not know which of the four not known charges have been dropped and to also now not know which three not known charges have not been dropped.
awol
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And for those too lazy to google for the latest press report - Daily Echo
Sounds a bit like "It wisnae me".
Sounds a bit like "It wisnae me".
viago
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and for those....
"relating to" and "regarding" does not constitute a charge. so still not known.
sounds like "you're on your own pal" to me. i would like to know what the track records of his "arguably not so good" skippers were like.
Tidewaiter2
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Weeeell.....
... once CS slipped the lines, he was (Master under God, remember?), since nothing JM said over the phone/vhf would/could have deflected CS from his chosen path, if CS chose to ignore JM, sensible intermediate ports of refuge, and a forecast no sensible Skipper(with time in hand too) would have wanted to be out in. After all, conditions can change all too rapidly, esp in the Chops of the Channel and around headlands, and a forecast is just and only that.
After all..."F6 is a yachtsman's gale" as a piece of received wisdom, has been around for a long time- that's why the RTW Clipper fleet have such a work up period for their crew pool, to harden them up/sort out the wheat from the chaff in heavy weather sailing- they get a lot of that if their videos are to be believed.
The HL 'ANSG' Skippers were probably all tucked up in Gosport or Cowes, eating a curry
... once CS slipped the lines, he was (Master under God, remember?), since nothing JM said over the phone/vhf would/could have deflected CS from his chosen path, if CS chose to ignore JM, sensible intermediate ports of refuge, and a forecast no sensible Skipper(with time in hand too) would have wanted to be out in. After all, conditions can change all too rapidly, esp in the Chops of the Channel and around headlands, and a forecast is just and only that.
After all..."F6 is a yachtsman's gale" as a piece of received wisdom, has been around for a long time- that's why the RTW Clipper fleet have such a work up period for their crew pool, to harden them up/sort out the wheat from the chaff in heavy weather sailing- they get a lot of that if their videos are to be believed.
The HL 'ANSG' Skippers were probably all tucked up in Gosport or Cowes, eating a curry
Old Dog
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Old Dog
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Ah, the benefits of going on a day Skipper course.
PS
Just to remind everyone, the forecasts (imminent, soon, later) are from time of issue by the met office, not from the time of the broadcast you are listening to.
Sorry you are wrong, Storm Warnings are from time of issue, Inshore Waters Forecasts have a "Valid from/to", they are not from time of issue.
Old Dog
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Check out the tide ref SOG, if he had been doing over 6Kn SOG to Beachy Head with tide against him, it turned for about 8 - 9 hours at that point so maybe 8 - 9kn?? 0600 - 0700 at Dover may have been quite posible? Also check the timing of the PAN PAN at Dungeness 0500 so under 2 hours to Dover?
Old Dog
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Think you are wrong, from the info that has come out so far, including from MCA/RNLI the first call was a PAN PAN, not a request for help, thge MAYDAY was sent over an hour later just a couple of minutes after the life boat arived on station.
Old Dog
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Skipper was only suspended fr 3 months and has been working all summer for 3 of the major schools in the Solent so some people still trust him!?