Lets Promote the UK Marine industry, Not Slate it!

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In fact, I m genuinely trying to think of anything I own that is British...

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My Toaster (no, really!)
The Boat + most of the electronics on it but not the engines (Sealine)
My Laptop (Ireland)
Cars: errm Wolfsburg and Russelsheim /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
I have many books that were printed in the UK.
Some Furniture that was made here.
The Piano.

As regards cars: if I could afford an XF I'd have one (XFR: Yum /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif ) The X-Type doesn't really do it for me, and not much else that is British built and in that sector.

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I think many people are forgetting that the year is 2009, we live in a global economy whether we like it or not. What exactly does buy British mean? You buy a new British Sunseeker, it's assembled in Britain but what percentage of the parts are sourced from Britain?? You buy a new Japanese Honda, that is assembled in Britain - does it make it British??
I wonder what percentage of Bavaria or Beneteau raw materials are sourced from Britain?? My point being that it is too simplistic to just say buy British. I along with most consumers these days will buy what meets their needs, if it happens to be British so be it, if not, so what? If British business can meet the needs of their customers they will thrive, if they can't they wont have a business for long.
 
ah books, well done.
And I have a UK amplifier and speakers, now I think of it(though cant swear where they were actually made).
I feel much better now I know I m doing my bit.
 
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You buy a new Japanese Honda, that is assembled in Britain - does it make it British??

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Better than buying from an importer that has no manufacturing presence in the UK: at least that way you are supporting a company that is making some sort of dent in the UK trade deficit.

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heh pay attention Nautical as this might lead to somewhere else

I do agree on what you say, I had 3 Brit Cars in the past and a pain to own, spended a fortune in the joints and mountings on all

as for British boats being best, I am far from this but they do build good boats
but from being top notch I always say they never will be because the product they produce is at a price
design of today British boats FL, SL, SS and Princess is all so Italian looking
I think for a real Brit boat, you have to buy a Broom and a Pearl that looks real English
now copying so much the Italians is not that healthy as you will always be judged by there measure, and the Italians know a thing about boats and two about design and I say this not only about there stuff but also more

I was in Genova show a few years back and infront of this Brit builder stand there was the Magnum Marine stand, now Magnum is a legendary builder which builds among the best and most strong boats in the world, this PR got me looking at the Magnum and he said colorful but unknown... LOL he was cocky but serious in this
not to know about Magnum Marine is pure insult to the common intelligence of any motorboater, now I know most of you here dont know who Magnum is but for me it is that way, and that is what an Italian told me in the 80s
have a good day....
 
"British" is very hard to identify and all may not be what it seems.

A morphy richards toaster is made in yorkshire (though recently they've switched to China but let's ignore that!) but the owner of the company is an Irish gentleman living in dublin and the steel for the case comes from Mittal who have mixed nationality shareholders and a principal shareholder who is non UK domiciled so likely doesn't need to pay much UK tax. So the assembly labour element of the £25 you pay for the toaster goes to UK. The materials element goes generally non UK ish. The profit element goes to Ireland. The retail mark up might be mostly British. So, is it "British" or not? I dunno. Anybody's guess really.

The sunseeker 60 has MAN engines, bader resins I think, perhaps Raymarine electronics made in Hungary/China, dometic toilets/airco made in lots of places and owned by US pension funds mostly, perhaps a cummins onan (USA) genset with a Kubota (Far East) diesel engine inside, and Teignbridge (=Brunswick, USA) props. And plenty of other non Britishness. I'm not knocking any of Morphy Richards or Sunseeker's choices of suppliers etc, just pointing out that Britishness isn't as simple as it sounds these days
 
well said sir,very well put,i completly agree,i think the alistairR post a little over the top.Fri was a great day@ libs with a few less people made it very pleasant indeed,&we were able to see all we wanted to incl SS30MTR/37MTR,FAIRLINE 55&MANY MORE,A GREAT DAY OUT,regards m m 1.
 
Firstly congrats on a very nice purchase.

Now this post wasn't meant to be anti-europe.

I never said anywhere in the origional post. ONLY BUY BRITISH!

The post was to try and create some positive talk.

I wholely believe one of the reasons this country is falling into a recession is because the media are talking us into it!

Now recent talk on here, has mentioned a lot about the Fairline stand and its barriers. There has been people on here saying "Well if thats their attitude then I'm certainly not buying one of their boats!", or words to that effect! Somebody online doing research for a new boat, is going to read that, they may have been interested in a Fairline, but reading numerous post like that, they may just be put off!!
Fairline maybe made the wrong decision about having barriers, I don't know. Thats for them to decide. But all I was trying tto say was give them the benefit of the doubt, and lets talk them and other UP to help them try and sell boats.

And I'm not just talking british boats, any boat or product that helps a UK dealer stay afloat, and people in jobs.

Cheers

Al.
 
Concur on the doom and gloom.

I'm actually getting a bit annoyed with the BBC who seem to enjoy the horror stories every day.


Your post said the industry was being slated - its not.

fairline may, or may not, have some marketing issues which were highlighted. i do not think anyone has slated their products.
 
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The LIBS is a good show IMHO - I enjoyed my visit very much last Friday.

I prefered Earls Court as had better atmosphere, but understand the need to move on. I dislike Excels location as its a pig for me to get to even though I live and work only a few miles west!


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Agree completely.
Been to Excel 3 times and Earls court twice. I much prefer Earls Court as its far easier for me to get to from Jockland.
I'm dissappointed I can't make it too LIBS this year, I do enjoy all boat shows.

I'd guess the reason it moved from EC to EX was for space, the show was obviously a sucess and they needed more space. The fact that its now too big, means you never know they may move it back. There is no point renting out a huge exhibition centre if only 70% or so of it is filled!
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The only negative stuff I see is people placing barriers to biz and formites commenting on their findings after visiting.

Who is actually slating the industry?


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The way I've read the forum lately is all the Negative stuff written about different companies(not all are british), equates to slating.
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There are excellent products on display and knowledgeable people about on the stands.
Thats how I see it.
On the stands I wanted to visit I was very warmly welcomed - as usual.

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And that has always been my experience at the boats shows, I'm not suggesting there wasn't.

Cheers

Al.
 
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infront of this Brit builder stand there was the Magnum Marine stand, now Magnum is a legendary builder which builds among the best and most strong boats in the world, this PR got me looking at the Magnum and he said colorful but unknown... LOL he was cocky but serious in this

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Are you sure that he wasn't aware of how stupid his statement was, and used it regardless?
These guys at boat stands do not know who is in front of them, and they just use the lines they've been told to use, or that they find generally appropriate.
Stating that Magnum is an unknown brand, in a Genova boat show some years ago, is not that wrong if you think about it: cheap as chips builders like Rio were (and probably - heaven forbid - still are, after going belly up more times than I can remember) better known than Magnum, in Italy.
 
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In fact, I m genuinely trying to think of anything I own that is British...house, I suppose.
Actually, I really cant think of anything. Suggestions, anyone?

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Your wife, maybe? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Your wife, maybe?

[/ QUOTE ] Maybe; maybe not. I got mine from a Philippino mail-order brides catalogue (better hope Mrs jhr never reads this /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif)
 
LOL if I was sure about that I would solve big problems in the universe not this...
but to be honest I always see the British builders and there staff a bit closed minded for them is the 3 british sisters, Azimut and Ferretti Group
for example once I met Mr. Couach himself also in Genova who was telling me the story of the 2100 Motor Yacht, its seakindliness military derived hull and that now again he is taking full hands on the yard etc etc
and he was comparing it to a Sseeker, Princess, Azimut etc etc telling me this is not a harbour boat and if you want I show you, we go out in Force 6 and see the comfort
but then I told him how does it compare with an Italcraft Drago (also a military hull) he just told me you know a thing or two and that would be nice to see in the same weather....
now with this statement I must admit that this guy took my sympathy and if I was for a boat this size he surely was in my graces more then ever, cause by this he showed he is not just talking BS but also uses the boats and has an eye on them too
 
your wife
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ah.. nope !! Danish /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
And so is most of the house...And the boat is Norwegian
You can see where this is going...........!
 
Could'nt agree with you more, from here nearly everything coming out of the Uk is so negative. I think the doom is feeding the doom!

On a brighter note we had a nice change today though when a lovely lady who has just brought a Targa 38 from the show wants to come over here for some training. She is so excited about the boat and has had a great deal from the show.

Warms your heart a little does'nt it!!
 
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