Let go to Greece and get pissed

We did well getting into Fiskardo yesterday afternoon. The floating pontoon has finally (yesterday morning) been moved away from the quay so there is extra mooring space available now. The pontoon itself has been strapped to the wall on the north side of the harbour, not really suitable for use. A few boats arrived after us that had to find somewhere else to stay, but it's not exactly full to bursting. Though it is still "early" June.
 
This is only my second season in the Ionian, but already it seems far more busy than a year ago. It's back to being a pain to schedule repair people, no more easy discounts in the marinas and chandleries, even holiday homes which had been abandoned half way are now being finished off. The Greek economy may still technically be in recession, but it looks like it has turned around - at least as it affects us.

Yes and the 'charter louts' are back. Germans in the Petriki (Corfu) anchorage a couple of nights ago, drunkenly caterwauling "Deutschland uber Alles" at 4.15am
 
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I am in Lakka now, going to Gaios soon, went on the bus yesterday to check it out and get an internet dongle 'Cosmote' didnt see any free electric, nice place the southern end of the issland.
 
sailaboutvic said:
1 sir read my posting . I was joking , I guess you only read the first one and couldn't wait to make an argument out of it , just like a Selection who got nothing better to do on these forum .
2 if the tax was in I wouldn't be here .
And 3 yes off course I complain why shouldn't I ! As I am about one of the few Brit who got a back bone to complain , and as the French have threading to take Greece to EU court maybe we now hear the end of it .
4 if your in Greece and know it as well as I do you will see there not that amount of boats here for May and June , OK they may still come or just maybe there won't .
Glade you take so much interest in my posting . I must start reading your , or maybe not .
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This is my first cruise in the Ionion, keep the informative posts coming. I did expect to see more boats than I have so far, maybe things will change.
 
Sarnia said:
This is my first cruise in the Ionion, keep the informative posts coming. I did expect to see more boats than I have so far, maybe things will change.
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I would keep you all posted but we off to Croatia in a week time , so maybe other will keep this going , what I will say to people who have report on here that they found it busy is , I have sails al round Greece for over 14 years and there no doubt in my mind there not so many boat so far this year , example , we left one tree bay yesterday and in fine sailing weather we encounter 14 yacht , once you would had seen as many as 40 or so yacht at less .
Lakka , when we was there there was 2 yachts on the quay and about 15 at anchor , some may say this is busy but lakka is normally packed with yacht at anchor . Mourtos the other week town quay 3 or four yacht and the anchorage in between the island four yachts again normally this is packed .
The only place we found packed of yacht was lafkes town and tranquil bay , but even early spring or late summer there alway a lot of yachts here , mostly people who come over in the spring and hardly move from there best spots .
Lafkes marina was still full of charter boats that have gone out and Nelison also have boats standing , I was told from one company that their first charter started in June .
We even sew sail holidays leave base one lead boat and four other charters , normally the lead boat would have 9 or 10 boats .
The good news is for people sailing this year , it looks like that anchorage are going to be a lot quieter , shame the weather is a bit **** .
We looking forward to Croatia .
Fair wind and safe sailing everyone , enjoy Greece while you have the chance .
 
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AndrewB said:
Yes and the 'charter louts' are back. Germans in the Petriki (Corfu) anchorage a couple of nights ago, drunkenly caterwauling "Deutschland uber Alles" at 4.15am
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Andrew , the Germans have nothing on us British , some time I am ashamed to be British , yesterday a British yacht ( private yacht ) empty his holding tank in Tranquil bay , what a moron , I hope he is reading this . Another one roared at full speed thought the anchorage , just missing a dinghy on the back of another boat , if there was a swimmer about there would had been died .
Just take a ride down to Vliho , the quay is all most full of British wrecks ,
we need to get our house in order before we start complaining about others .
As far as loud mouths charters go , most charters I found are fine , ( their skills are another thing ) out to enjoy them self , where ever they come from , but stick a bunch of men or women to gather on a boat and they seen to forget there other out there also trying to enjoy them self .
Sorry if I upset any of my fellow country men .
 
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sailaboutvic said:
Andrew , the Germans have nothing on us British , some time I am ashamed to be British , yesterday a British yacht ( private yacht ) empty his holding tank in Tranquil bay , what a moron , I hope he is reading this . Another one roared at full speed thought the anchorage , just missing a dinghy on the back of another boat , if there was a swimmer about there would had been died .
Just take a ride down to Vliho , the quay is all most full of British wrecks ,
we need to get our house in order before we start complaining about others .
As far as loud mouths charters go , most charters I found are fine , ( their skills are another thing ) out to enjoy them self , where ever they come from , but stick a bunch of men or women to gather on a boat and they seen to forget there other out there also trying to enjoy them self .
Sorry if I upset any of my fellow country men .
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I agree with your general thread, we do have some idiots as fellow countrymen who do very antisocial things wherever they are, but for sheer arrogance I do find some Germans are the worst of any nationality, and i have German friends who agree with that and cringe when they see their countrymen behaving that way.
Two days ago a German boat anchored much to close up behind my stern, I looked at them and they glared back and grinned, last night we had a thunderstorm here (Lakka) with sudden very strong Northerly winds and big rollers running in, some boats started to circle trying to get a better holding, the offending one behind me had a good part of his genoa unfurled and started to sail off her anchor, he swung around motoring away and narrowly missed me, when I shouted why did he anchor so close he suggested that I check my holding which hadnt moved an inch, (I had snorkled over it two days before, in 4.5m got 25m of 10mm out, the anchor a CQR completely buried)he eventualy furled his genoa and found a new holding further away.

Despite our fellowcountrymens transgressions, I am never ever ashamed to be British, though i understand your sentiment expresses your feelings, I feel shame at the actions of individuals not of my wonderful nationality, whose flag I not only fly physically with pride, but wave it if an opportunity arises in reply to those who would demean it, and there are many at home only to ready to do so.
 
We found Mourtos pretty busy, with the town quay pretty much full. We've now been in Fiskardo for a couple of days and the harbour has been full every night. Finding a spot is pot luck on entering just after or as someone's leaving.
Preveza was reasonably busy. A few spots along the town quay, though a few boats were moored up alongside. We were turned away from the small marina to the north as it was "full". Never heard that before! Vonitsa was pretty busy, all the spots in the harbour were full.

There was a smallish gap a couple of boats to our right, which nobody bothered to try. Right on the corner, with a very tight entrance, no sensible mooring points and loads of anchor chains crossed over. An Italian boat rocked up this morning, insisting on going in the spot. They claimed they'd been travelling for three days and they were tired, so they were going in there and they didn't care what the people on the boats either side thought. They started their approach and only relented when I pointed out the feck off big rock right in the middle of the spot. If you've just been on a long passage, why not anchor up in one of the lovely bays only 5 to 10 mins further along? Get a good few hours of sleep, or a day even, then pop into the harbour if you so wish. I have to admit, the Italians have been the worst for arrogance when it comes to mooring, ignoring any advice given to them by people who probably know more than they do about the spot they're going for.
 
I am based in Sardinia so see how some behave, they sail like they drive!!, just how they are, but to be honest never had an arrogant one, careless yes, but we all know how our judgement can be impaired from a long trip and sleep deprivation, a space looks so inviting when you just want to stop, I have learnt to think 3 times before I make a decision in similar circumstances having been lucky inj the past.. say no more. But your correct, an anchorage is better, usually hassle free and can get a long sleep.
 
Cardo , did Fiskardho quay have boats moored bow Into each other two deep ? was the rock filled right up to the outer end of the entrances with boats moored on to them ? did the ferry quay have five or six boats on in and was there no room to anchor in the middle , that what Fiskardho looks like when it busy .
There no such thing as a small gap in Greece , if one can get part of a boat in he will force the rest of the boat in some how , get use to it , your in Greece , we very rarely go onto any wall or quay , and get use to people anchoring next to you if you want empty anchorages Ionians is the wrong places .
Wait till next month if the Italian decided to return , you know what busy is then .
 
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AndrewB said:
Like most things, its not got very much to do with nationality, some people are just inconsiderate.
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I totally agree with you , there good and bad sailor every where , we on our way back north and once again to night in Lafkes we only four boats anchored off plenty of room , what do we get a British yacht with four people on boat playing loud music , and when a Dutch guy ask them to turn it down a bit , the language was just disgracefully .
Some may find that acceptable , I don't .
 
Sailaboutvic:
Andrew , the Germans have nothing on us British , some time I am ashamed to be British , yesterday a British yacht ( private yacht ) empty his holding tank in Tranquil bay , what a moron ,

I would be very interested in how you know that this yacht emptied his holding tank in Tanquil Bay.

Cheers

Squeaky
 
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Sailaboutvic:
Andrew , the Germans have nothing on us British , some time I am ashamed to be British , yesterday a British yacht ( private yacht ) empty his holding tank in Tranquil bay , what a moron ,

I would be very interested in how you know that this yacht emptied his holding tank in Tanquil Bay.

Cheers

Squeaky
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No problem I will tell you ..he was anchored right next to us and the whole of the water around the back of the boat turn brown , bits floating every where , it must had been a full tank too . this for your info was 0930 , flat claim and 10 min early I returned back from buying bread and there was nothing in the water then , no more then four people approach him , and the guy couldn't care less . There wasn't , I am sorry or it was done by mistake .
That Squeaky is how I know what boat did it . Unless it just happen to fall out of the sky behind his boat , I suppose that possible.
Please don't try and defend these people , it disgracefully , there never a need to pump out in any anchorages , it really P me of to see people behave in this manor no wounded turkey has a blue card system , has you very well know .
 
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sailaboutvic said:
No problem I will tell you ..he was anchored right next to us and the whole of the water around the back of the boat turn brown , bits floating every where , it must had been a full tank too . this for your info was 0930 , flat claim and 10 min early I returned back from buying bread and there was nothing in the water then , no more then four people approach him , and the guy couldn't care less . There wasn't , I am sorry or it was done by mistake .
That Squeaky is how I know what boat did it . Unless it just happen to fall out of the sky behind his boat , I suppose that possible.
Please don't try and defend these people , it disgracefully , there never a need to pump out in any anchorages , it really P me of to see people behave in this manor no wounded turkey has a blue card system , has you very well know .
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Yes, we are in Tranquil Bay now and couldn't help noticing this. It was really disgusting and if I knew which boat it was would certainly have reported it.
 
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AndrewB said:
Yes, we are in Tranquil Bay now and couldn't help noticing this. It was really disgusting and if I knew which boat it was would certainly have reported it.
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Enjoy Andrew , we now heading North to lakka to night and then just waiting for the right wind for Croatia , for a change ,
Any one interested how we find Croatia I will post info of cost harbour and anchorAge on our site once we been there for a while .
Fair winds everyone
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If your still there on Sunday and fancy a good Sunday dinner , Vicks at the yacht club (VYC) cooks a mean meal , plus they will take in mail or have parts sent there
 
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AndrewB said:
Yes, we are in Tranquil Bay now and couldn't help noticing this. It was really disgusting and if I knew which boat it was would certainly have reported it.
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The majority of charterers and flotilla members, it seems to me, start pumping out either whilst sill at anchor or just as they leave a port. he latter case causing a whole cloud in the water, especially if several boats do it at the same time.

We do not have a holding tank. There are normally just the two of us and we have two heads. We much prefer to use "Dump Bags" or delay pumping out our respective loo until we are three miles out. Holding tanks in a country with few pump-out stations will inevitably mean high concentrations of effluent in many popular areas. However, it is also true that many local "Dimos" councils permit the direct pumping out of shore-based facilities, into the sea. Lakka on Paxos deposits directly into the top of the harbour near the ferry berth and there is always an enormous cloud to the west of Mesolonghi entrance which I first spotted from a small plane, several years ago.
 
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Is "Tranquil bay" the one between Nidri and Vlicho ?
If so its a cesspit anyway isnt it.
The majority of liveaboard boats that occupy the place for the summer obviously just pump straight out rather than lose their spot by taking their waste offshore.
Dont get me wrong - I too think its disgusting behaviour and I'm firmly behind the name and shame them campaign but this guy isnt the only having a dump in that area
 
Steve , let's not turn this into black tank or no black tanks issues or if there and pump out facilities or not . The bottom line is no one should pump out in an harbour or anchorage , even if it dirty . The one time someone pumped out the loo on our boat thinking we was on the black tank there where made to get In the dinghy with a bucket and pick up the bits , even tho there was no one anchor around us .
Affinite , yes your quite right there is a group of people who leave he marina and head for Tranguil bay and only move to get onto the Nelson for water ,
This place was spotless10 / 15 years ago clear water , no wrecks , now look at it , the cat wreck is an British boat left to die and so is the yacht in the Corner and it look like by the end of this year there will be a few more .
We only now go there for shopping or if we need parts , other wise there a lot nicer places
 
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