gallan947
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Hi guys, am looking at this boat, the boats on a driveway, with the sails in a bag, the only photo he has of the sails is this one, is this a Genoa or a jib
Many thanks
Many thanks
Leisure 17 Gib or Genoa
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Lakesailor
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Does it matter?
It looks as though it overlaps the main (when sheeted in) so it would be a Genoa, but a genoa is correctly called a Genoa Jibsail anyway. Working jibs usually sheet inside the shrouds (depending on their location)
It looks as though it overlaps the main (when sheeted in) so it would be a Genoa, but a genoa is correctly called a Genoa Jibsail anyway. Working jibs usually sheet inside the shrouds (depending on their location)
Seajet
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As the headsail sheet cars are as far aft as they'll go, and it's on a roller, it looks like a genoa to me.
Another question would be, 'is there provision for a storm jib', ie not just rolling up this sail which will set like a sack if rolled small in strong winds, just when one needs everything to be working well...
Another question would be, 'is there provision for a storm jib', ie not just rolling up this sail which will set like a sack if rolled small in strong winds, just when one needs everything to be working well...
Giblets
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From the original brochure for the 17SL (not the 17)
Working jib = 6.0 sq m
Genoa = 9.3 sq m
Storm Jib = 3.7 sq m
Main sail = 7.7 sq m
If the foresail is off the boat why not get it out and measure it?
Or give Quay Sails in Poole a ring and ask them what the area is of a roller head sail.
Working jib = 6.0 sq m
Genoa = 9.3 sq m
Storm Jib = 3.7 sq m
Main sail = 7.7 sq m
If the foresail is off the boat why not get it out and measure it?
Or give Quay Sails in Poole a ring and ask them what the area is of a roller head sail.
BobPrell
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Whatever it is, and it looks genoa-jib size to me, I like it because the tack is well above the deck so visibility forward is good.
On the working jib, I recently saw some reference which said that to sailmakers, a 100% jib is one where the height of the sail triangle with the luff as the base, is 100% of the J measurement. The J measurement being the distance from the stem head to the base of the mast. This means that a 100% jib, if taken as the standard size, will always have some overlap on the mast.
For cruising purposes, I like to have a jib that will fit inside the available foretriangle. It can be arranged to be held out by a sprit or wishbone, which pretty well eliminates winching.
I realize many choose to go down the roller furling/reefing path.
On the working jib, I recently saw some reference which said that to sailmakers, a 100% jib is one where the height of the sail triangle with the luff as the base, is 100% of the J measurement. The J measurement being the distance from the stem head to the base of the mast. This means that a 100% jib, if taken as the standard size, will always have some overlap on the mast.
For cruising purposes, I like to have a jib that will fit inside the available foretriangle. It can be arranged to be held out by a sprit or wishbone, which pretty well eliminates winching.
I realize many choose to go down the roller furling/reefing path.
William_H
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Jib
As said I think the jib will be the least of your worries in this purchase. Indeed it looks like a fine little ship.
What you need to satisfy yourself with is " will it satisfy you long term?"
With a roller jib you still have a compromise. A large jib will work well in light winds but will not work so well in stronger winds when partially furled.
A smaller jib on a furler will be able to be used full sized in stronger winds and be better with less furling in very strong winds. So let the supplied jib be used and you can decide later if you like the compromise.
Personally I like a choice of hank on jibs but I do think we have more predictable winds if mostly much stronger than UK. good luck olewill
As said I think the jib will be the least of your worries in this purchase. Indeed it looks like a fine little ship.
What you need to satisfy yourself with is " will it satisfy you long term?"
With a roller jib you still have a compromise. A large jib will work well in light winds but will not work so well in stronger winds when partially furled.
A smaller jib on a furler will be able to be used full sized in stronger winds and be better with less furling in very strong winds. So let the supplied jib be used and you can decide later if you like the compromise.
Personally I like a choice of hank on jibs but I do think we have more predictable winds if mostly much stronger than UK. good luck olewill
Seajet
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Bob & William,
I'm with you; much prefer a 'blade' headsail to a genoa, it gives a very efficient 'slot', better visibility and I suspect actually better performance than a crude overlapping genoa.
I also stick to hanked headsails, on boats under say 25' the headsails are easily carried to & fro, much more efficient, and once one lears a few tricks there's no advantage at all with a roller.
Having had roller headsails fail on me several times in other boats, including jamming with full genoa out in a gale ( luckily we were going downwind anyway, suspect we still hold the speed record for a Centaur ) I canwell do without such excitement; roller foils make getting the mast up & down a lot more hassle too.
this is actually a working jib from my Dad's old Centaur, luckily Westerly's used Ratsey & Lapthorn in those days; the sail is still brilliant today.
I'm with you; much prefer a 'blade' headsail to a genoa, it gives a very efficient 'slot', better visibility and I suspect actually better performance than a crude overlapping genoa.
I also stick to hanked headsails, on boats under say 25' the headsails are easily carried to & fro, much more efficient, and once one lears a few tricks there's no advantage at all with a roller.
Having had roller headsails fail on me several times in other boats, including jamming with full genoa out in a gale ( luckily we were going downwind anyway, suspect we still hold the speed record for a Centaur ) I canwell do without such excitement; roller foils make getting the mast up & down a lot more hassle too.
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Seajet
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Dan,
The Osprey is very strong, I'm sure that hoisting her up at one end a bit, providing something like a webbing sling is used and say another support at middle, would be fine.
I can't think of any particular weaknesses; like most boats the deck overlaps the hull, so can get damaged along the edges, but it's solid wood there and easily fixed / replaced.
The one I had, 902, was built by Westerlys of Cornwall, and I'd have been happy to have the hull indoors as an ornament !
Which was another thing making me wonder why a 14 at about £15,000 more was meant to be a good thing...I suppose it's like comparing an E-Type to a souped up snotty little Mini with a loud hi-fi, but with the E-Type costing a few hundred quid & virtually zero running costs...
The Osprey is very strong, I'm sure that hoisting her up at one end a bit, providing something like a webbing sling is used and say another support at middle, would be fine.
I can't think of any particular weaknesses; like most boats the deck overlaps the hull, so can get damaged along the edges, but it's solid wood there and easily fixed / replaced.
The one I had, 902, was built by Westerlys of Cornwall, and I'd have been happy to have the hull indoors as an ornament !
Which was another thing making me wonder why a 14 at about £15,000 more was meant to be a good thing...I suppose it's like comparing an E-Type to a souped up snotty little Mini with a loud hi-fi, but with the E-Type costing a few hundred quid & virtually zero running costs...
