lawnmower engine outboard

[dylanwinter]

changing my mind

Well Dylan - you may now have to re-evaluate your prejudices, as I believe you were in favour of using a diesel engine on The Slug (if only it hadn't misbehaved) ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18415532

And for those who can't be arsed to click on that link - Diesel Engine fumes are now conclusively known to cause lung cancer and perhaps bladder cancer.

I like to think fo myself as a free thinker and try to avoid prejudice

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/prejudice



I change my mind all the time

I thought I would sail around the UK in two summers

I thought the Medway was a horrible industrial river (it is a wonderful place to sail)

I believed people when they told me that the Wash is a frightful place - it is a delightful place

I said I would never have another big trailer sailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHGZGjONJ40

I said I would never have puppies in my kitchen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTcDOK_-Jks

I said that Yes was the best rock band the world has ever seen

I have said and done so many many wrong things

Although I have yet to change my mind on diesels and Seagulls

Diesels provide dry warmth, ballast, fuel efficiency, relative quiet, lots of electrical power and thrust in the right place

but I am not rich enough to own a reliable one

as for the cancer risks - the exhaust is generally well away from me

I drink alcohol and smoke a cigar a day while sailing but not ashore - I eat chips - I am two stone heavier than I should be - I do not wear a helmet when on a bike or a horse and seldom wear a life jacketbe so risk is a relative thing



I still think that using a seagull up a river, on a lake or on a small estuary is unethical

however, this too might change one day

I think the ability to change your mind in the light of evidence is a wonderful thing

of course threads on here would be a good bit shorter if opinions were based upon fact rather than prejudice

I myself try to listen to those who offer me facts

Dylan

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/prejudice


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0afiWy2y-Uc

 

[Chrusty 1]

I like to think of myself as a free thinker

You remind me of Tommyrot, he will think about anything, as long as it's free!

 

[prv]

I think the ability to change your mind in the light of evidence is a wonderful thing

+1

Which is why I've never understood why the media make such an accusatory circus every time a politician changes his mind. Apparently they would prefer them to ignore any evidence and continue to be wrong.

Pete

 

[kds]

honda engines.

In Central Africa in the seventies - Honda marketed a 4.0 hp. engine with a universal drive which fitted directly onto ;
drive shaft of outboard motor and propellor;
rotovator;
lawn mower;
mini-tractor.
and I think there were a couple of other things.
I saw a few - but not many - in action.
Certainly one solution for the 3rd. World at the time.
Ken

 

[Tommyrot]

You remind me of Tommyrot, he will think about anything, as long as it's free!

Wot, me?

 

[Chrusty 1]

Wot, me?

Been having a dose in the chair have you? Oooops sorry, I meant to say doze of course! )

 

[electrosys]

I like to think fo myself as a free thinker and try to avoid prejudice
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/prejudice

Prejudice is one of those words to which several meanings have become attached:
I used that word here in the sense of:

An unreasonable predilection for, or objection against, anything; especially, an opinion or leaning adverse to anything, without just grounds.

A bias on the part of judge, juror, or witness which interferes with fairness of judgment.

To give an unreasonable bent to, as to one side or the other of a cause.

It no longer only means to pre-judge, as well you know (or ought to).

Although I have yet to change my mind on diesels and Seagulls

as for the cancer risks - the exhaust is generally well away from me

I drink alcohol and smoke a cigar a day while sailing but not ashore - I eat chips - I am two stone heavier than I should be - I do not wear a helmet when on a bike or a horse and seldom wear a life jacketbe so risk is a relative thing

A tad ego-centric perhaps ? I wasn't thinking about your health, but rather thinking of marine diesel exhausts poisoning the wildlife of which you frequently eulogise.

I still think that using a seagull up a river, on a lake or on a small estuary is unethical

Pleased to see that your views have changed on this - I only ever use my Seagulls - an activity which you have been quick to criticise in the past - in the open sea.

I think the ability to change your mind in the light of evidence is a wonderful thing

of course threads on here would be a good bit shorter if opinions were based upon fact rather than prejudice

I myself try to listen to those who offer me facts

This is extremely simplistic and child-like thinking: how does one establish what is indeed a fact, and what is an opinion (or belief) presented as a fact - in short, who does one look to for authority in such matters ?

As children we look to our parents for various truths, who are then replaced by teachers, who carry and repeat the knowledge that their teachers in turn have bestowed upon them. If and when that maturing child enters university, much of what has been learned as being 'factual' is very quickly demolished, and that young person has to start their education all over again, only this time accompanied by far more scrutiny and challenging questions. But even then, the undergraduates have their tutors to look to for guidance in formulating their new perspectives of the world.
And then onwards to higher degrees which, to the puzzlement of those occupying the lower stratas of education, are termed 'philosophy' degrees. Of course, there is a very real reason why debate at this level must always be couched in terms of philosophy, rather than factual truth, because by then one has learned that there are very few 'facts' about the world the veracity of which cannot be challenged.

And all that is left then, are opinions based upon each individual's perspectives ... and not upon the mythology of any 'factual information'.

 

[DownWest]

I think that B&S outboard is only for fresh water use. I saw one of those Honda stationary engines stuck on a leg in Gib years ago. Shepards had a similar unit driving a three wheeled trolly to cart stuff around. Both were horizontal shaft with a belt drive. In the case of the outboard, it had two right angle gear boxes. One at the top of the leg as well as the normal bottom one. Pretty clunky looking.

 

[dylanwinter]

you surprise me

one has learned that there are very few 'facts' about the world the veracity of which cannot be challenged.

.

you surprise me

.... however if you say there are few facts that cannot be challenged then I shall believe you

and if you wish to call me prejudiced then I shall also believe you

probably because I am apparently in your words much prone to simplistic, childlike thinking.

There was me thinking that evidence and facts are important

deepest apologies for being so deluded all this time

Dylan

 

[Tommyrot]

Been having a dose in the chair have you?

I did once, but the clinic got it sorted.

 

[Chrusty 1]

I did once, but the clinic got it sorted.

Harumph yes well.....I just done a swift edit

 

[Chrusty 1]

Prejudice is one of those words to which several meanings have become attached:
I used that word here in the sense of:

An unreasonable predilection for, or objection against, anything; especially, an opinion or leaning adverse to anything, without just grounds.

A bias on the part of judge, juror, or witness which interferes with fairness of judgment.

To give an unreasonable bent to, as to one side or the other of a cause.

It no longer only means to pre-judge, as well you know (or ought to).


A tad ego-centric perhaps ? I wasn't thinking about your health, but rather thinking of marine diesel exhausts poisoning the wildlife of which you frequently eulogise.


Pleased to see that your views have changed on this - I only ever use my Seagulls - an activity which you have been quick to criticise in the past - in the open sea.



This is extremely simplistic and child-like thinking: how does one establish what is indeed a fact, and what is an opinion (or belief) presented as a fact - in short, who does one look to for authority in such matters ?

As children we look to our parents for various truths, who are then replaced by teachers, who carry and repeat the knowledge that their teachers in turn have bestowed upon them. If and when that maturing child enters university, much of what has been learned as being 'factual' is very quickly demolished, and that young person has to start their education all over again, only this time accompanied by far more scrutiny and challenging questions. But even then, the undergraduates have their tutors to look to for guidance in formulating their new perspectives of the world.
And then onwards to higher degrees which, to the puzzlement of those occupying the lower stratas of education, are termed 'philosophy' degrees. Of course, there is a very real reason why debate at this level must always be couched in terms of philosophy, rather than factual truth, because by then one has learned that there are very few 'facts' about the world the veracity of which cannot be challenged.

And all that is left then, are opinions based upon each individual's perspectives ... and not upon the mythology of any 'factual information'.

Seems to me that you must live in a very confusing world, the likes of me and Dylan, (childlike and simplistic thinkers), wouldn't like it there. I am just a simple wood butcher by trade, but here is an indisputable fact for you. If I wacks the end of me thumb with me hammer, it is bloody painful, I know this because my wee poor simplistic brain is shouting it at me as loud as it can, that, plus the fact that tears are streaming down me face and I am howling in agony, kind of confirms this fact irrefutably.

Now if you doubt the veracity of what I am telling you, come over to my place, any time will do, just suit yerself, and I will wack your thumb with me hammer, and you can indulge yerself in an irrefutable fact, it will be a new experience for you.

 

[Niander]

Why dont you get an old honda 10 twin 4 stroke[ethical... and good petrol consumption]
perfect i would of thought
i once had one ...nice motor
pick one up for around £200
charge as well
surely you could sell all those outboards and get yourself a good one!

 

[Blueboatman]

I wus once told a story that Briggs and Stratton were the names of the two waiters who, attending table to an annual dinner of automotive engineers, discovered the napkin upon which said engineers had drawn the worlds worst engine incorporating every known engineering sin but with the single proviso that it would actually run....

Then I discovered the seagull inboard! What a difference between concept and execution. Execution, now there's an apt word. Mine lasted one week on death row before being removed and sold complete fer 30 much welcomed beer tokens..

( with apologies to the forum member who explained quite rightly how the company simply didn't have the resources at the end to get the seagull inboard quite 'right')

 

[quimby]

I wus once told a story that Briggs and Stratton were the names of the two waiters who, attending table to an annual dinner of automotive engineers, discovered the napkin upon which said engineers had drawn the worlds worst engine incorporating every known engineering sin but with the single proviso that it would actually run.

No! It was Stuart Turner.

 

[Tommyrot]

Why dont you get an old honda 10 twin 4 stroke[ethical... and good petrol consumption]
perfect i would of thought
i once had one ...nice motor
pick one up for around £200
charge as well
surely you could sell all those outboards and get yourself a good one!

Bloody good motor, but bloody heavy.

I've got one, it's too big for the boat... Mine and Dylan's!

 

[dylanwinter]

that is a beautiful thing

Seems to me that you must live in a very confusing world, the likes of me and Dylan, (childlike and simplistic thinkers), wouldn't like it there. I am just a simple wood butcher by trade, but here is an indisputable fact for you. If I wacks the end of me thumb with me hammer, it is bloody painful, I know this because my wee poor simplistic brain is shouting it at me as loud as it can, that, plus the fact that tears are streaming down me face and I am howling in agony, kind of confirms this fact irrefutably.

Now if you doubt the veracity of what I am telling you, come over to my place, any time will do, just suit yerself, and I will wack your thumb with me hammer, and you can indulge yerself in an irrefutable fact, it will be a new experience for you.

That is a wonderful bit of prose and logic.

I fear though that for some people the connections between hammer, thumb and pain are very far from being indistupable facts. There are those that would dispute that there is any connection between the three.

I myself believe that the earth is flat

therefore the fact that the earth is round is disputable... for those of us with a childlike and simple approach to life that is

It is the reason why I am only circumnavigating the UK. I fear that to head off west in the hope that at some stage you will eventually return to the same place - only approaching from the East seems to me to be a wholly unlikely and thoroughly disputable fact - for simple minded people only of course


Dylan

 

[Croc]

You have to appreciate Electrosys's position....from the facts he gives us although I suppose we could question the veracity of even those, he does suffer.
He is clearly not unintelligent but he lives in Boston....I also did once in the days when most of the natives spoke a form of English....but, despite not being over-bright myself I managed to get out....nearly fifty years ago.
Being stuck there and watching the lingua franca of the town change from a broad Lincolnshire dialect to Lithuanian would turn any sentient being all bitter and twisted.
But there is one consolation available to him that was not around in my day....for a few bob, taking advantage of the new residents' skills ,he can get a bottle of vodka locally brewed in the back streets near the aptly named Liquorpond Street....it would put him out of his misery for a few hours.

 

[alahol2]

If I wacks the end of me thumb with me hammer, it is bloody painful, I know this because my wee poor simplistic brain is shouting it at me as loud as it can, that, plus the fact that tears are streaming down me face and I am howling in agony, kind of confirms this fact irrefutably.

Definitely not a fact, only your opinion. When you hit your thumb it doesn't have any effect on me therefore it can't be an irrefutable fact. In my opinion it doesn't hurt, you're just play acting.

 

[Croak]

SNIP

As children we look to our parents for various truths, who are then replaced by teachers, who carry and repeat the knowledge that their teachers in turn have bestowed upon them.

Not correct all the time. Some folk, including my son, were home educated.