burgundyben
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I have just spent a very pleasant weekend in Yarmouth at the old gaffers rally, I was amazed by the number of kids running around the harbour in tenders with outboards not wearing lifejackets!
Kids running around in the tender wearing lifejackets?
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Cornishman
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Why are you so surprised when there are so many adults who fail to set the right examples? You know the sort, the ones who continue to use there mobile phones while driving 'cos they think they know better, those who deliberately break the speed limit 'cos they think that they are such good drivers that it doesn't apply to them, those who argue against the anti smoking in public places law, and those who themselves do not put on lifejackets 'cos they don't believe they are necessary.
What chance have the kids got in learning what to do when their elders are so cavalier??
What chance have the kids got in learning what to do when their elders are so cavalier??
WindFinder
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I have just spent a very pleasant weekend in Yarmouth at the old gaffers rally, I was amazed by the number of kids running around the harbour in tenders with outboards not wearing lifejackets!
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You think that's bad. At Weymouth today there were kids SWIMMING without life jackets.
Wherever will it end?
I have just spent a very pleasant weekend in Yarmouth at the old gaffers rally, I was amazed by the number of kids running around the harbour in tenders with outboards not wearing lifejackets!
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You think that's bad. At Weymouth today there were kids SWIMMING without life jackets.
Wherever will it end?
AlJones
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Re: Kids running around in the tender wearing life jackets?
God for bid anything happens to kids doing things like that, who gets the finger pointed at them?
From some one who has been over the wet side on more than one occasion, wear the bloody things! I wouldn't be here today if it wern't for the jacket.
I would always won't to wear one and never need it then be on the wet side again wishing I had put one on!!
Beggars belief.
Al.
God for bid anything happens to kids doing things like that, who gets the finger pointed at them?
From some one who has been over the wet side on more than one occasion, wear the bloody things! I wouldn't be here today if it wern't for the jacket.
I would always won't to wear one and never need it then be on the wet side again wishing I had put one on!!
Beggars belief.
Al.
Tidewaiter2
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It's Just Nature's Way- it's just that Sabre tooth Tigers and frozen dynamite are in short supply in the Solent, so boat work without at least a bouyancy+ cold shock+ a bit of tide, is the modern substitute.
Darwin was right, you know. I agree with all of you- no thought til it happens then it's never their fault, of course?
Darwin was right, you know. I agree with all of you- no thought til it happens then it's never their fault, of course?
l'escargot
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Perhaps it comes down to good old "risk assessment" - how many kids have drowned in a busy harbour, from a tender, through not wearing a lifejacket? Probably not many, if any. Although saying that, my 12 year old cannot use the tender if she hasn't got one on. Maybe we should be asking why we insist on what could be an unnecessary safety precaution?
Searush
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When was the last time any one of us fell out of the tender when sober? I seldom wear a lifejacket in the dinghy as I seldom use it in bad conditions. Nice warm day, calm harbour, good vis, lifejacket is not critical. Different matter if heavily loaded, cold, poor vis, windy & choppy or I've had a few to drink.
In 35 years I haven't had a problem, but I am damn careful entering & leaving the dink & am always holding on tight with at least one hand. I have slipped from time to time, but that hand has never let go!
I usually require my 10year old Grandaughter to wear a life jacket (or wet suit) in the dink and, if alone in open water anchorage, the dink will generally be tied to the boat with a 200' warp.
In 35 years I haven't had a problem, but I am damn careful entering & leaving the dink & am always holding on tight with at least one hand. I have slipped from time to time, but that hand has never let go!
I usually require my 10year old Grandaughter to wear a life jacket (or wet suit) in the dink and, if alone in open water anchorage, the dink will generally be tied to the boat with a 200' warp.
MarkGrubb
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They cram em in at Yarmouth at this time of year. Lots of white hulls, white tenders, rafting up everywhere (pontoons and piles). Difficult to see a small tender popping out from between the boats and judge speed and distance, without waiting a short time to focus and think.
Kid came in the local chandlers the other week with his parents who wanted the lifejacket checking for size. It was one of those bouyancy aid style kids jackets: bright orange.
If they're wearing those in the dinghy's I for one would be pleased. Makes spotting them easier and saves a panic with the gears cos my head was the other way looking for Red 5. Damn there goes the prop walk, no chance of recovering the approach, I'll have to go round again now.
Kid came in the local chandlers the other week with his parents who wanted the lifejacket checking for size. It was one of those bouyancy aid style kids jackets: bright orange.
If they're wearing those in the dinghy's I for one would be pleased. Makes spotting them easier and saves a panic with the gears cos my head was the other way looking for Red 5. Damn there goes the prop walk, no chance of recovering the approach, I'll have to go round again now.
MarkGrubb
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Maybe we should be asking why we insist on what could be an unnecessary safety precaution?
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your hesitancy in committing to 'what is an unneccessary safety precaution?' answers that question.
There's always a niggling what-if in the back of the mind.
Maybe we should be asking why we insist on what could be an unnecessary safety precaution?
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your hesitancy in committing to 'what is an unneccessary safety precaution?' answers that question.
There's always a niggling what-if in the back of the mind.
sarabande
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Have a look at these pages from RoSPA.
http://www.rospa.co.uk/leisuresafety/water/statistics/2005statistics_child.htm
Then imagine recovering a child's body with no lifejacket, with the parents looking on.
There are times for not wearing a PBA, but mucking around in a dink in cold water is NOT one of them.
http://www.rospa.co.uk/leisuresafety/water/statistics/2005statistics_child.htm
Then imagine recovering a child's body with no lifejacket, with the parents looking on.
There are times for not wearing a PBA, but mucking around in a dink in cold water is NOT one of them.
TeamSpirit
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Chidren are protected by law. It is the adults responsibility - duty to ensure that children in his/her care are adequately safeguarded, if a child/children are considered at risk without a suitable life preserver / jacket then it must be provided by the responsible Adult.
My children have never been allowed to go out on the water without appropriate kit. It is all a matter of analysis of competancies/safety and degree of risk.
Worst Case, imagine how they going to respond to the coroners questions when he asks why the child was not wearing a suitable preserver.... not something any one would want to experience.
Lead by example, require children to wear appropriate safety equipment, harnesses lifejackets preservers from an early age and the risks are managed and you have peace of mind.
I encouraged to see marina staff requiring children to don lifejackets the other day.
I am all for freedom of choice but when it comes to children it's about common sense and risk assessment - accidents will happen whatever precautions are taken but may wekk be lessened by appropriate safety consideration and thought in advance of things going wrong.
My children have never been allowed to go out on the water without appropriate kit. It is all a matter of analysis of competancies/safety and degree of risk.
Worst Case, imagine how they going to respond to the coroners questions when he asks why the child was not wearing a suitable preserver.... not something any one would want to experience.
Lead by example, require children to wear appropriate safety equipment, harnesses lifejackets preservers from an early age and the risks are managed and you have peace of mind.
I encouraged to see marina staff requiring children to don lifejackets the other day.
I am all for freedom of choice but when it comes to children it's about common sense and risk assessment - accidents will happen whatever precautions are taken but may wekk be lessened by appropriate safety consideration and thought in advance of things going wrong.
Lakesailor
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mobile phones while driving - break the speed limit - smoking in public places
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Is it me, or don't they all put others at risk?
Isn't that the purpose of those statutes really, to protect others.
One thing is absolutely certain in life. You will die.
If I choose to sail without a life jacket, and I usually do, perhaps that moment will come sooner.
But having weighed up the chances, I make a choice.
I am not suggesting that children should be afforded the same luxury, but vociferously defend my right to make my own decision, rather than support a move towards compulsion.
mobile phones while driving - break the speed limit - smoking in public places
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Is it me, or don't they all put others at risk?
Isn't that the purpose of those statutes really, to protect others.
One thing is absolutely certain in life. You will die.
If I choose to sail without a life jacket, and I usually do, perhaps that moment will come sooner.
But having weighed up the chances, I make a choice.
I am not suggesting that children should be afforded the same luxury, but vociferously defend my right to make my own decision, rather than support a move towards compulsion.
Phoenix of Hamble
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I'm in split minds about this issue....
The problem I have is that you do see kids in boats who are skilled handlers of the craft, and have spent their lives in or around boats, understand the environment well, and appreciate what is going on around them, are as comfortable in the water as they are on land, plus know how to get themselves out of trouble in most situations.... I don't have an issue with this 'type' of child not wearing a lifejacket...
Only, the problem is that many other kids see them, and want to emulate them.... and these kids are less refined in their skills... they don't appreciate other boats around them so instinctively - especially in tighter environments like harbours and marinas, and don't realise when they are putting themselves and others in danger..... and the fact that the first group are wearing lifejackets, makes the second inclined to not do so either.....
So i'll sit on the fence on this one...
I do however have one other point to make.... that of engine kill cords.... I can (in the right circumstances) support personal choice for kids not to wear lifejackets, but I find the none use of kill cords shocking....
For the record, my kids always wear lifejackets when in the tender...
The problem I have is that you do see kids in boats who are skilled handlers of the craft, and have spent their lives in or around boats, understand the environment well, and appreciate what is going on around them, are as comfortable in the water as they are on land, plus know how to get themselves out of trouble in most situations.... I don't have an issue with this 'type' of child not wearing a lifejacket...
Only, the problem is that many other kids see them, and want to emulate them.... and these kids are less refined in their skills... they don't appreciate other boats around them so instinctively - especially in tighter environments like harbours and marinas, and don't realise when they are putting themselves and others in danger..... and the fact that the first group are wearing lifejackets, makes the second inclined to not do so either.....
So i'll sit on the fence on this one...
I do however have one other point to make.... that of engine kill cords.... I can (in the right circumstances) support personal choice for kids not to wear lifejackets, but I find the none use of kill cords shocking....
For the record, my kids always wear lifejackets when in the tender...
awol
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Have a look at these pages from RoSPA.
http://www.rospa.co.uk/leisuresafety/water/statistics/2005statistics_child.htm
Then imagine recovering a child's body with no lifejacket, with the parents looking on.
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I had a look and in 2005 apparently 1 child died in salt water and a total of 3 died in rowing/sailing on both fresh and salt water. I'm not sure how these statistics relate to the wearing of lifejackets e.g. the 14 year old army cadet drowned last year was wearing one and it contributed to her death and I presume she will be included in the 2007 statistics - but compared with the carnage on the roads, it is but a drop in the ocean.
Have a look at these pages from RoSPA.
http://www.rospa.co.uk/leisuresafety/water/statistics/2005statistics_child.htm
Then imagine recovering a child's body with no lifejacket, with the parents looking on.
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I had a look and in 2005 apparently 1 child died in salt water and a total of 3 died in rowing/sailing on both fresh and salt water. I'm not sure how these statistics relate to the wearing of lifejackets e.g. the 14 year old army cadet drowned last year was wearing one and it contributed to her death and I presume she will be included in the 2007 statistics - but compared with the carnage on the roads, it is but a drop in the ocean.
KevB
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We had a great weekend at the gaffers. You must have seen Sam...
But at only 5 he wasn't on his own.
But at only 5 he wasn't on his own.
Yarmouth during a busy period must be the safest place to fall in without a life jacket. I don't see what the problem was?
Had you opened a discussion about kids playing with outboards and spoiling the Yarmouth harbour ambiance, that would have been an interesting thread.
Had you opened a discussion about kids playing with outboards and spoiling the Yarmouth harbour ambiance, that would have been an interesting thread.
KevB
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Yarmouth harbour ambiance
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And that was? Oh yes - Non stop music from the big tent, marching bands, fly overs from the cost guard, non stop harbour taxi's.... bar humbug?
Nearly forgot the wightlink ferry /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Yarmouth harbour ambiance
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And that was? Oh yes - Non stop music from the big tent, marching bands, fly overs from the cost guard, non stop harbour taxi's.... bar humbug?
Nearly forgot the wightlink ferry /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
WindFinder
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There are times for not wearing a PBA, but mucking around in a dink in cold water is NOT one of them.
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Yet if they'd been diving off the dinghys into the water it would be fine for them not to be wearing a PBA...
I really pity kids today. The only excitment they're allowed without some tw*t whineing at them about safety is shoplifting.
No wonder they all turn to drugs.
There are times for not wearing a PBA, but mucking around in a dink in cold water is NOT one of them.
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Yet if they'd been diving off the dinghys into the water it would be fine for them not to be wearing a PBA...
I really pity kids today. The only excitment they're allowed without some tw*t whineing at them about safety is shoplifting.
No wonder they all turn to drugs.
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Chrusty1
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Nicely said /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
DJE
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Proposed Yarmouth rules:-
Compulsory lifejackts and no outboards!
Compulsory lifejackts and no outboards!
