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I liked Dylan’s videos. I found them well put together, researched and unostentatiously personal.


I too found it a shame that he sometimes allowed a social intolerance, bordering on vitriol, to colour his otherwise engaging narrative of his cruising grounds.


The funny thing to me, given the thousands of miles Dylan had presumably covered, was his apparent innocence of sailing. In a sortie into (I think) Christchurch he was unaware whether he would have adequate depth over the coming hour or three, despite having a chart and almanac to hand. And having sailed through the Solent, he mused that the tide had been setting westwards with him for most or all of the tidal cycle. Setting aside the knowledge or just the logic of the matter, it struck me as curious that a sailor could be unaware of how the tide had been affecting his boat’s motion for a period of hours.


He came across as a nice guy, and happy in his own skin. I suspect few of us wouldn’t buy him a beer and have a chat if we found ourselves moored next to him.
 
It is not a correct analysis of the law to state that Dylan was in the wrong.
I say this not to re-ignite the matter or re-start a debate over the rights and wrong, but so that the assertion Dylan was in the wrong does not pass by unchallenged. He was not.
 
BelleSerene said:
He came across as a nice guy, and happy in his own skin. I suspect few of us wouldn’t buy him a beer and have a chat if we found ourselves moored next to him.
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I've met him, on Katie L. He is interesting and friendly. Very opinionated, but I'm in no position to cast stones about that, and anyway life would be terribly dull without opinionated people.

Poecheng said:
It is not a correct analysis of the law to state that Dylan was in the wrong.
I say this not to re-ignite the matter or re-start a debate over the rights and wrong, but so that the assertion Dylan was in the wrong does not pass by unchallenged. He was not.
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If you don't want to re-start a debate, does that mean you just want us to take your word for it without question? It's a shame if so, because I'm dying to know how taking someone else's IP without permission. slapping your own copyright notice on it and then selling it falls within "legitimate". Do tell.
 
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You don't want to re-start a debate, does that mean you just want us to take your word for it without question? It's a shame if so, because I'm dying to know how taking someone else's IP without permission. slapping your own copyright notice on it and then selling it falls within "legitimate". Do tell.
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I enjoyed the fantastic films he made and his Radio 4 stuff back in the 1980s.

Sadly, Dylan has stopped, but we all make our own decisions. As I have said on other posts my own circumnavigation of the British Isles will be a lot quicker and I'll be doing a blog so that when my single grey cell is getting rusty in my dotage I'll be able to re-kindle memories of the trip by re-reading it. If others wish to read the blog they are free so to do.
 
So much to right on this but need to get my work done by 10.00. It clearly isn,t going to make much money in this format especially long term, Dylan was probably kidding himself especially if he already worked in the industry.

If you have your mortgage paid and kids grown up and your wife doesn,t mind you going on jollies then great, why not make some footage and if it helps others navigate etc it would be nice to get some kind donations for the effort. As a business plan it will never work, you need more interest than just Dylan sailing to different ports. You have to be extremely watchable like a Fred Dibner but even then you would need to bring in other characters and topics as he did and as does Guy Martin...Or you have to be like a reality TV programme with hardships/challenges or with a boat full of interesting characters and if they conflict with each other mores the better it seems. There simply Isn't the market from just sailers.

I was presuming Dylan did this as a hobby, I hope you don,t have a mortgage etc Dylan. Time to grow up and sort paying work and put some graft in mate, words of support not criticism. Trying the supposed easy option and living on a shoestring is hard work in itself and impacts on family. Far easier for everyone to work for a decent income and everyone will be rewarded.
 
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JumbleDuck said:
If you don't want to re-start a debate, does that mean you just want us to take your word for it without question? It's a shame if so, because I'm dying to know how taking someone else's IP without permission. slapping your own copyright notice on it and then selling it falls within "legitimate". Do tell.
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I said exactly why I was posting - so that the what was being asserted did not go unchallenged. Not necessarily to change anyones mind and certainly not to have the debate.

The fact that people can post an opinion does not mean it is worth anything - that is the joy of the forum; some people know what they are on about and some don't. You decide who you agree with.

When it comes to specialist topics we have a sufficient spread of skills that most topics can be covered.

I dare say that in your specialist field you would do your (detailed) research before venturing an important opinion because you would be aware of the flaws in doing otherwise - both to the validity of the argument and to your rep. Because it is your specialist field, you know what research has to be done and that a bit of work on Wiki is unlikely to suffice.

In this matter, however, it affects the reputation of another person as well - someone whose hospitality you have enjoyed. Hence my post.

I did do the proper research on this topic.

As said, I am not trying to change your mind or anyone else's if they are made already. However, it might be fairer if you are going to denounce someone as acting unlawfully, to set out your qualifications for saying so and your 'workings'. In this matter that would assist others to know whether it is the considered opinion of a lawyer, the thoroughly-researched opinion of a non-lawyer or the merely the opinion of a barrack-room lawyer.
 
I used to enjoy the videos but then he moved on to snide remarks in every one and seemed to have a huge chip on his shoulder about anyone who was better off than him, particularly if they had a large motor boat! They didn't even have to be racing around creating wash, he took against anything large tied up anywhere, especially up the Hamble. I stopped bothering some time ago now. There are two guys with a load of videos on YouTube I've recently discovered who are sailing round the Solent reviewing pubs - these are excellent and worth watching, concise, humorous and how it should be done.
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Poecheng said:
It is not a correct analysis of the law to state that Dylan was in the wrong.
I say this not to re-ignite the matter or re-start a debate over the rights and wrong, but so that the assertion Dylan was in the wrong does not pass by unchallenged. He was not.
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"Ignorantia juris non excusat"

I'm just a layman, but I've built a few personal websites, wrote a few blogs and I know I have to produce everything that's on them, or licence anything that I haven't. That's, words, pictures, graphics, music, logos, anything because somebody has made the thing and owns it. There will be some exceptions granted but even royalty free stuff isn't licence free, you need to seek permission, pay or produce yourself.

Even downloading a song to play at a funeral as sad and personal as it may be could get you in trouble, or lifting a picture of the tellitubbies to make a birthday card for your child. I think you'll be unlucky to get done and I imagine it will go no further and a lot of the time for personal use it won't but if you didn't produce it you shouldn't use it without permission. This was why I stuck up for dylan, I saw his trip as a personal blog with "perks on the side" not a business.

I saw a clip online of a new Peaky Blinders bar that opened in Liverpool the other day, they opened it with what looked like the Peaky Blinders taking it over like in the show. The bar itself didn't look like a traditional Black Country pub apart from some large prints of some of the main characters on the wall it had nothing to do with the PB. Now if they haven't licenced the use of those prints from whomever owns the copyright I imagine somebody will come knocking at some point.

Dylan can't clain he didn't know at least the basics of copyright law and if he does he should have looked into it, ignorance is no excuse.

I'm sure Dylan doesn't mind threads like this, as they say there's no such thing as bad publicity and forums only work if people contribute and there's interesting discussion and debate.

Dylan, please come back, be honest and admit it all got a bit much for you. I can understand it was a stressful time, you were probably getting it in the ear from the wife for spending too much time away, not bringing enough money in etc. Don't make your hobby your job, go film some stuff for some company that'll send you a cheque in the post.

Enjoy life

Merry Christmas.
 
Yellow Ballad said:
"Ignorantia juris non excusat"

I'm just a layman, but I've built a few personal websites, wrote a few blogs and I know I have to produce everything that's on them, or licence anything that I haven't. That's, words, pictures, graphics, music, logos, anything because somebody has made the thing and owns it. There will be some exceptions granted but even royalty free stuff isn't licence free, you need to seek permission, pay or produce yourself.

Even downloading a song to play at a funeral as sad and personal as it may be could get you in trouble, or lifting a picture of the tellitubbies to make a birthday card for your child. I think you'll be unlucky to get done and I imagine it will go no further and a lot of the time for personal use it won't but if you didn't produce it you shouldn't use it without permission. This was why I stuck up for dylan, I saw his trip as a personal blog with "perks on the side" not a business.

I saw a clip online of a new Peaky Blinders bar that opened in Liverpool the other day, they opened it with what looked like the Peaky Blinders taking it over like in the show. The bar itself didn't look like a traditional Black Country pub apart from some large prints of some of the main characters on the wall it had nothing to do with the PB. Now if they haven't licenced the use of those prints from whomever owns the copyright I imagine somebody will come knocking at some point.

Dylan can't clain he didn't know at least the basics of copyright law and if he does he should have looked into it, ignorance is no excuse.

I'm sure Dylan doesn't mind threads like this, as they say there's no such thing as bad publicity and forums only work if people contribute and there's interesting discussion and debate.

Dylan, please come back, be honest and admit it all got a bit much for you. I can understand it was a stressful time, you were probably getting it in the ear from the wife for spending too much time away, not bringing enough money in etc. Don't make your hobby your job, go film some stuff for some company that'll send you a cheque in the post.

Enjoy life

Merry Christmas.
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As you have fairly said, it is a layman's opinion (I don't mean that in a snide way)
 
My intention on starting this thread was just to point out a couple of new films from KTL and not to start another round of the 'Dylan Winter' case. Take a look at the two films mentioned and you will, as I did, find them a real tonic at this time of year.
 
In my view, what a lot of you are missing is the cultural value of DW's venture. It's not really about the sailing. What he has done for ~1/2 of the UK coast, is a bit of a historic record of what the places are like round about the beginning of the 3rd millennium of our current era. It is a real pity if he does not manage the next half.

Us lot on here are mostly grumpy old fogeys... so we should cut him some slack about the rants. Whether you like them or not.

I'l keep chipping in. It is not as though he was aspiring to luxury high end life on the water....
 
Well, because of this thread I've gone and watched a few minutes of an earlier film KTL V1 as JD put it and gosh it was well put together. Dylan is good at what he does and I did enjoy the 5 minutes I watched, I do see why people tap him but it doesn't excuse his "wobble" in his later films. I won't watch his later stuff unless he admits he insulted and upset a lot of people that supported him (not necessarily monetary) and won't hold a grudge on those who can't afford or don't want to. I would have thought Dylan would support the thought books and education should be open to all to learn from, including his and others films.

As I've said, I like Dylan, I like his films. I would really love to see him back and I would love to see him continue on his journey but because he wants to do it not because it pays. I would still hold my offer of putting him up for a night or two if he visited my sailing ground and would love to put all this in the past.

I think I've made my thoughts pretty clear in this thread so I'll let my bit go. I've tried to be as honest open and fair as I can and I hope I haven't upset of offended anyone.

Seasons greetings.
 
I really don't want to do this, but who cares about the copyright issue. its a tiny issue and the only potential looser was the owner. leopards don't change their spots. middle class man, living in middle England. had no choice but to sell his boat. Cap in hand.

My Knees are knackered, ive never stopped working and probably never will. ill not say anymore. Dylan needed a bloody reality check. Did he ever realise how bloody lucky he was to be so popular, see so much and yes receive a financial reward for it. Yes I found it more than offensive. I also don't give a dam how much money people have. they have in the main earnt it. I keep my boat on a very smart yard with very wealthy owners and they are nice as pie. I pay a premium as you only get one life.

Steveeasy
 
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