BlueChip
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I'd second that, its just too much hassle to do a 99p transaction, but if I could pay you a one off fee for a 12 month download license I'd happily do that - and you'd get more money up front.
Keep Turning Left
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I'd second that, its just too much hassle to do a 99p transaction, but if I could pay you a one off fee for a 12 month download license I'd happily do that - and you'd get more money up front.
EdWingfield
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Dylan, Paypal really doesn't like me. I've never done anything wrong, it just refuses to cooperate. I'd like to speak to a human to sort it but it is not possible.
Unless you can allow another method of payment I'm knackered.
Good luck, and happy sailing.
Unless you can allow another method of payment I'm knackered.
Good luck, and happy sailing.
Bosun Higgs
N/A
much the best dylan is motorboatists
dylanwinter
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subscriptions won't work either
excellent thoughts - and well described - but I have thought that road through already.
agree things changing - old models breaking down -
I am an old BBc hack who is now making a living from posting truck films on you tube - but while $1 per thousand is worth having on two million hits a month for truck films its not worth having for 5,000 hits on a sailing films - basically there are not enough sailors to guarantee a flow of free films. Just not enough eyes, not enough clicks on the adverts
that model does not work for such an elite audience.
for elite read small
as for a subscription that would need a committment from me to carry on sailing and posting though the whole year.
if I get a paid job - such as the one about filming on sheep stations in new zealans then I will put the boat ashore - put a tarp over it and go off to earn some proper money - I have then betrayed you and the 30 other people who subscribed
so far this film has had less than 80 downloads - at 99cents a time - plus the paypal share that is less than £40
I spent that on petrol getting down to the boat to put a coat of varnish on it.
So at these small numbers the economics do not stack up - never will
I attempted to raise my game for 2009 - risked and killed my £3,000 pro camera. The camera needs to be replaced if I am going to continue filming at 2009 quality as opposed to 2008 quality.
the oother alternative is to pull all the films from youtube and jmake the whole website a subscription site - for say $5 for a years access
Dylan
excellent thoughts - and well described - but I have thought that road through already.
agree things changing - old models breaking down -
I am an old BBc hack who is now making a living from posting truck films on you tube - but while $1 per thousand is worth having on two million hits a month for truck films its not worth having for 5,000 hits on a sailing films - basically there are not enough sailors to guarantee a flow of free films. Just not enough eyes, not enough clicks on the adverts
that model does not work for such an elite audience.
for elite read small
as for a subscription that would need a committment from me to carry on sailing and posting though the whole year.
if I get a paid job - such as the one about filming on sheep stations in new zealans then I will put the boat ashore - put a tarp over it and go off to earn some proper money - I have then betrayed you and the 30 other people who subscribed
so far this film has had less than 80 downloads - at 99cents a time - plus the paypal share that is less than £40
I spent that on petrol getting down to the boat to put a coat of varnish on it.
So at these small numbers the economics do not stack up - never will
I attempted to raise my game for 2009 - risked and killed my £3,000 pro camera. The camera needs to be replaced if I am going to continue filming at 2009 quality as opposed to 2008 quality.
the oother alternative is to pull all the films from youtube and jmake the whole website a subscription site - for say $5 for a years access
Dylan
drawkins
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I am one of your keenest followers but reading the above post it has struck me that the number of hits,5000,represents a minute portion of your total potential audience.
with the number of world wide sailors surely the potential should be there to equal the truckers,once they know about you.
how they find out about you is something else.
with the number of world wide sailors surely the potential should be there to equal the truckers,once they know about you.
how they find out about you is something else.
dylanwinter
Well-Known Member
brit viewers minority
you tube tells me where viewers come from
only 40 per cent uk - majoity of the rest US and Canada - hence the 99c price - others are aussies, kiwis and dutch - no french yet but a few quebecois.
I think that the web has reached out to those who want to see. The first film of 2009 has been watched by 30,000 - the second one was watched by two.
You know my friends on YBW ... we are a very select group
D
you tube tells me where viewers come from
only 40 per cent uk - majoity of the rest US and Canada - hence the 99c price - others are aussies, kiwis and dutch - no french yet but a few quebecois.
I think that the web has reached out to those who want to see. The first film of 2009 has been watched by 30,000 - the second one was watched by two.
You know my friends on YBW ... we are a very select group
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Garold
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Whatever it takes.
Dylan
There has to be a way to make it pay. You've just not thought of it yet.
And if you don't want my subscription money............ no offence taken.
The subscription website idea may have legs. It seems to be a growing business model at the minute for lots of other areas of interest.
But how do you get people to the website in order to find you, and then how do you convince them to sign up? Youtube may help to get your website in front of people. And maybe the first 30 odd episodes of your programmes, accompanied by some shorter excerpts from your future ones, will work as the marketing end of your website.
And then there's your input to this and other forums. Maybe forum members will want to find out more.
Someone mentioned something to me about Facebook applications and blogs to get higher up the google searches.
Anyway, just thoughts. But, I for one would like you to continue.
Ironically, I suspect that most of us who enjoy your films, are those people with the fat white plastic gin palaces that you so freely castigate. Easy to forget that most of us started off enjoying the simple pleasures of boating: exactly what you portray in your films. And we all want to revisit it. Even through a third party.
Cheers
Garold
Dylan
There has to be a way to make it pay. You've just not thought of it yet.
And if you don't want my subscription money............ no offence taken.
The subscription website idea may have legs. It seems to be a growing business model at the minute for lots of other areas of interest.
But how do you get people to the website in order to find you, and then how do you convince them to sign up? Youtube may help to get your website in front of people. And maybe the first 30 odd episodes of your programmes, accompanied by some shorter excerpts from your future ones, will work as the marketing end of your website.
And then there's your input to this and other forums. Maybe forum members will want to find out more.
Someone mentioned something to me about Facebook applications and blogs to get higher up the google searches.
Anyway, just thoughts. But, I for one would like you to continue.
Ironically, I suspect that most of us who enjoy your films, are those people with the fat white plastic gin palaces that you so freely castigate. Easy to forget that most of us started off enjoying the simple pleasures of boating: exactly what you portray in your films. And we all want to revisit it. Even through a third party.
Cheers
Garold
dylanwinter
Well-Known Member
quickly sell the lozenge
Time is of the essence
sell the three bedroom, two birth tupperware and buy a small ugly one instead
I am on the boat at the moment
On the Alde
Brilliant sunset
but its bloody cold
D
Time is of the essence
sell the three bedroom, two birth tupperware and buy a small ugly one instead
I am on the boat at the moment
On the Alde
Brilliant sunset
but its bloody cold
D
Porthandbuoy
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Bl@@dy Paypal
Just tried to set up a Paypal account so's I could pay my 99c and see Dylan's vid. I fill in loads of info and end up with an error message "This bank account is assigned to another Paypal account."
I ask SWMBO if she has a Paypal account.
"Yes, but I've not used it for years."
Can you remember your login details?
"No"
Now what?
My apologies. That's a thread drift.
Just tried to set up a Paypal account so's I could pay my 99c and see Dylan's vid. I fill in loads of info and end up with an error message "This bank account is assigned to another Paypal account."
I ask SWMBO if she has a Paypal account.
"Yes, but I've not used it for years."
Can you remember your login details?
"No"
Now what?
My apologies. That's a thread drift.
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DogWatch
Guest
I had the exact same thoughts as Toad on this one, I really enjoy watching your vids on yoootube and had it in mind that I will be buying the DVDs as you released them.
Surely if numbers are so small and as you have already done most of the work, editing sound etc.. you could buy a few writers and cottage industry them.
I would be willing to pay up to £12 per DVD presuming say, 70 minutes per disk.
I don't care if you hand write the labels, in fact that would make it more personal...
I presume as you are in the biz you have selected copyright free music and the like.
Bloody hell, I am really disappointed by this revelation. I even bought a video camera last month on a costco special on the back of your vids.
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DogWatch
Guest
I am pleased by that, at least no one can clone your account if they obtain your card details.
EDIT>> your login is your full e-mail address and password. If you have multiple e-mail addresses, find an email from paypal in your inbox and see who it was sent to. Then attempt to login with a known password, there should also be a forgotten password clicky on the login page.
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dylanwinter
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digital - the next step
I don't think you drifted the thread. If specialist films about sailing are to be made and distributed with the help of micropayments then systems have to be developed that make you feel comfortable. The average ktl viewer is aged 45 to 65. The average big truck film viewer is 25 to 35
very different demographics with a different attitude to technology.
Some people expect to talk to a human being for a 99c transaction on the web. Not possible.
. Like it or not google, youtube, ebay and paypal are the market leaders so we play by their rules or not at all
the facts are that it is easier to offer downloaded digits to the 25 to 35 year olds thyan it is to offer them to the 45 to 65 year olds.
If anyone has any suggestions about gettting around this problem - I am all ears
dylan
its cold
I don't think you drifted the thread. If specialist films about sailing are to be made and distributed with the help of micropayments then systems have to be developed that make you feel comfortable. The average ktl viewer is aged 45 to 65. The average big truck film viewer is 25 to 35
very different demographics with a different attitude to technology.
Some people expect to talk to a human being for a 99c transaction on the web. Not possible.
. Like it or not google, youtube, ebay and paypal are the market leaders so we play by their rules or not at all
the facts are that it is easier to offer downloaded digits to the 25 to 35 year olds thyan it is to offer them to the 45 to 65 year olds.
If anyone has any suggestions about gettting around this problem - I am all ears
dylan
its cold
grumpy_o_g
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I think the thread's moved on but FWIW it's not the payment authorisation side I have issues with, it's the requirement to "register" or "create and account". I absolutely hate any organisation that tries to gather details or information about me like that.
Anyway, thanks to Dylan for sorting me out and a donation will be dropped in the lifeboat coffers next time I'm walking past the RNLI station.
Anyway, thanks to Dylan for sorting me out and a donation will be dropped in the lifeboat coffers next time I'm walking past the RNLI station.
Geoffs
Well-Known Member
Wow you are a hardy dedicated man, Dylan. I'd think twice about staying aboard mine, with the heating on!!!
Foregive my ignorance of the East coast, but where is the Alde? Keep safe & warm!
dylanwinter
Well-Known Member
handing over personal information
I share G o gs concerns - but the cat is out of the bag
we regsitered for this forum, for our internet service supplier who already knows how many of my films you have watched and all the other places you have been, , tescos knows through your their till how many saturated fats your family consumes in a month, dvlc knows where your car is with the help of all its cameras.
My guess is that making a stand against paypal is a magnificently pointless gesture.
But I am proud of you for making the sacrifice.
Dylan
I share G o gs concerns - but the cat is out of the bag
we regsitered for this forum, for our internet service supplier who already knows how many of my films you have watched and all the other places you have been, , tescos knows through your their till how many saturated fats your family consumes in a month, dvlc knows where your car is with the help of all its cameras.
My guess is that making a stand against paypal is a magnificently pointless gesture.
But I am proud of you for making the sacrifice.
Dylan
ianfr
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Dylan
I would be quite happy to use a subscription site, I have a paypal account, but would prefer a simple pre payment rather than individual payments. BUT I am happy whichever way, just keep them coming! To everyone else I would suggest "Have you seen any of the Keep Turning Left videos?" at any appropriate time!
Thinks.... Maybe a letter to PBO etc.
Regards
Ian
I would be quite happy to use a subscription site, I have a paypal account, but would prefer a simple pre payment rather than individual payments. BUT I am happy whichever way, just keep them coming! To everyone else I would suggest "Have you seen any of the Keep Turning Left videos?" at any appropriate time!
Thinks.... Maybe a letter to PBO etc.
Regards
Ian
Ray Dunne
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Well Done Dylan
Again Dylan, Well done , enjoyed your latest offering very much. Keep up the good work...Ray
Again Dylan, Well done , enjoyed your latest offering very much. Keep up the good work...Ray
dylanwinter
Well-Known Member
The real problem with Keep Turning Left is...
There are two more possible models to adopt for sailing films or on-line sailing magazines come to that.
One is to leave three or four of the best hitting films on you tube and then put everything else onto the website.
I would have to pay the extra streaming costs - at the moment youtube deals with all that - but I would get a better return from the adverts that people click on. And with so few people watching the films the streaming costs are never going to get out of hand.
two is to put all that material on the website but behind a $5 annual subscription wall. The magazines could operate in a similar way.
They could guarantee a certain mnumber of new articles for you to read every month.
Even if I could get everyone of the 5,000 people who watch an average free ktl film then that would still only be $25,000 . - which would have to cover sailing costs, film production costs and my contribution towards the family budget
KTL49 has been up for about 4 days now. It has had 600 hits.
80 people have bought the film.
That means that I have almost earned the petrol for one journey to the boat.
The real trouble with trouble with keep turning left is that not enough people watch it.
But millions of people love truck videos
Bumma
There are two more possible models to adopt for sailing films or on-line sailing magazines come to that.
One is to leave three or four of the best hitting films on you tube and then put everything else onto the website.
I would have to pay the extra streaming costs - at the moment youtube deals with all that - but I would get a better return from the adverts that people click on. And with so few people watching the films the streaming costs are never going to get out of hand.
two is to put all that material on the website but behind a $5 annual subscription wall. The magazines could operate in a similar way.
They could guarantee a certain mnumber of new articles for you to read every month.
Even if I could get everyone of the 5,000 people who watch an average free ktl film then that would still only be $25,000 . - which would have to cover sailing costs, film production costs and my contribution towards the family budget
KTL49 has been up for about 4 days now. It has had 600 hits.
80 people have bought the film.
That means that I have almost earned the petrol for one journey to the boat.
The real trouble with trouble with keep turning left is that not enough people watch it.
But millions of people love truck videos
Bumma
Dylan
I would be quite happy to use a subscription site, I have a paypal account, but would prefer a simple pre payment rather than individual payments. BUT I am happy whichever way, just keep them coming! To everyone else I would suggest "Have you seen any of the Keep Turning Left videos?" at any appropriate time!
Thinks.... Maybe a letter to PBO etc.
Regards
Ian
Twister_Ken
Well-Known Member
"But millions of people love truck videos"
Maybe that's because they're dyslexic.
Maybe that's because they're dyslexic.
jusw
Well-Known Member
Maybe the solution is to sail a truck? a la Top Gear Triumph Herald etc. - only joking!
I'm just about to watch your latest KTL and pay via PayPal - Can I make a suggestion?
Presumably you know or can find out the email addresses of who is / has watched the films? If so why not email them as a group each time a new film comes out so you get a bigger audience sooner - also if you could suggest to everyone that they pass on their experiences of watching your vids to at least one new person per quarter then you could quickly increase your audience figures.
Just a thought...................
JuSw
I'm just about to watch your latest KTL and pay via PayPal - Can I make a suggestion?
Presumably you know or can find out the email addresses of who is / has watched the films? If so why not email them as a group each time a new film comes out so you get a bigger audience sooner - also if you could suggest to everyone that they pass on their experiences of watching your vids to at least one new person per quarter then you could quickly increase your audience figures.
Just a thought...................
JuSw