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kristifercolumnbus said:
No.
I find it annoying that your films on Youtube don't seem to come in proper chronological order & I spend ages trying to find & remember which one I have got up too.Then when I find it it is just 3/4/5 minutes & I would like to sit down & watch a long run.It is all becoming a bit more trouble than it is worth Dylan.
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Utter disbelief over that statement. :o
 
I can duplicate, print and pack a DVD-r for as little as £1.20 +vat and often carry out short run or on demand work. Including fulfilment if needs be.

I would have thought there's a few quid to be made.


Regards


Jim





DogWatch said:
I had the exact same thoughts as Toad on this one, I really enjoy watching your vids on yoootube and had it in mind that I will be buying the DVDs as you released them.

Surely if numbers are so small and as you have already done most of the work, editing sound etc.. you could buy a few writers and cottage industry them.

I would be willing to pay up to £12 per DVD presuming say, 70 minutes per disk.

I don't care if you hand write the labels, in fact that would make it more personal...

I presume as you are in the biz you have selected copyright free music and the like.

Bloody hell, I am really disappointed by this revelation. I even bought a video camera last month on a costco special on the back of your vids.
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economics of DVDs for sailors

jimbouy said:
I can duplicate, print and pack a DVD-r for as little as £1.20 +vat and often carry out short run or on demand work. Including fulfilment if needs be.

I would have thought there's a few quid to be made.


Regards


Jim
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thanks for your posting and suggestion and interest and generally positive attitude - all round a good chap


The price sounds excellent.

but.....

I have stayed away from the dvd route because I just don't think the numbers are there to justify the investment in time - not for my sailing films anyway.

At the moment 2009 is going to end up at 30 films averaging 10 minutes a peice. To be watchable as a DVD on a TV means that it has to work as a continuous narrative - as opposed to a collection of episodes.


That is a big editorial job - and one that needs a fresh pair of eyes - maybe a months work for a pro - and I assume that is a bit more than just a cutting job - it would need more scripts and also getting rid of some of the dodgier bits of camera work - which are fine on a computer screen - but look pretty horrible on a big TV.

The whole 250 minutes - maybe more - needs picking apart before being re-assembled as a 90 minute film. The pacing of the whole thing would need changing other wise it would come over as an indigestible lump - which is porbably what it is already.

Then that edit has to be turned into a DVD with a navigation menu - and that menu has to work on TV on both sides of the atlantic using several different broadcast systems. I think its pal, ntsc and secam - and some people will want blu-ray - never done that at all - and it will also have to work in computers. Its not impossible its just that it takes a lot of computer time and to make such a thing is beyond my grade. I am a hack not a boff. When I make truck or farming videos, or films about sheep farms in New Zealand we get a professional to finalise the master. The investment in his time and expertise pays dividends.

Then there is the business of dealing with the jiffy bags, returns, not known at this address etc etc.
That needs an infrastructure ready to fulfill orders every day because people expect their orders to turn up tommorrow - even if it has been made in the UK. The truck films are pressed in the UK and the USA. It comes back to economies of scale.


For 50,000 truckers or combine enthusiasts it works out fine but for sailors...
that is a much tinier market.

the average ktl film gets 5,000 hits a year when its for free

200 when it costs 99c

Imagine making all that effort for the DVD and get a mere 200 sales...... aaaagh!

So I can't see the DVD ever repaying the investment either side of the pressing and packing.

Lets not even go into the economics of producing the ktl series in the first place.

I would be filming my journey anyway because I want to remember this amazing experience - I have got a few days work off the back of the project but at the moment the only income I can set against the project is from the 200 people who paid 99c to download ktl49.


It will be interesting to see how nathans idea of giving away the latest film for free and charging for access to the archive pans out.

Dylan
 
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Dylan

I don't agree with your idea that all the films need to be edited together. I think by creating chapter marks for each episode is fine, and personally I find it's quite useful to be able to jump to a particular film.

Just my 2p worth, and I am happy to subscribe as long as you keep producing the films, with suitable commentary ;) which most of us appreciate.

regards

ian
 
nathanlee said:
Utter disbelief over that statement. :o
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Well I'm sorry about that nathan but it is true.I have a suggestion,how about continuing to upload to youtube but only in 425 frames a second or whatever it is & pointing out that proper 1 hour long films can be downloaded in high definition for a reasonable price?
(It gets on my tits looking at all films uploaded to youtube that are just seconds or one or two minutes long........I like to sit back & relax can I really be the only one)?
 
Kristifer - Guess you like to sit down to three courses and cheese, rather than snack when you've got a few minutes to spare. But there are others who prefer the snacking route. Me, I can rarely sit down to watch something end-to-end - I'd need to find the instruction manual to work out what my DVD player does. But a few minutes of youtubery at odd intervals suits me fine.
 
Twister_Ken said:
Kristifer - Guess you like to sit down to three courses and cheese, rather than snack when you've got a few minutes to spare. But there are others who prefer the snacking route. Me, I can rarely sit down to watch something end-to-end - I'd need to find the instruction manual to work out what my DVD player does. But a few minutes of youtubery at odd intervals suits me fine.
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No I don't sit down to three courses & cheese ken but I do like to relax in the evening once I have had my supper (cooked myself & usually an ASDA ready meal if I can get away with it).
I appreciate your attitude & there seem to be millions of short film clips to cater for it on youtube but I love Dylans films & would much prefer to make an evening of them.I don't share Dylans reservations about cobbling them together & think many of them stand up to the best wildlife documentary's I have seen.What more can you say!
You have a DVD player rather than run them on your computer/a media center cobbled up to your HI-FI system.......you are missing so much ken;)
 
ianfr said:
Dylan

I don't agree with your idea that all the films need to be edited together. I think by creating chapter marks for each episode is fine, and personally I find it's quite useful to be able to jump to a particular film.

Just my 2p worth, and I am happy to subscribe as long as you keep producing the films, with suitable commentary ;) which most of us appreciate.

regards

ian
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I agree with Ian, I greatly enjoy Dylan's 10 minute films and would be more than happy to pay for a DVD that simply has the video's dumped on them as-is with a very basic menu to chose which episode to watch next.

I expect that Dylan, being a professional TV bod, does not wish to produce something that is not as good as it could possibly be, while the reality is that most of us enjoy the way that each episode it a little different in pace and content.

What every you decide to do Dylan, many people enjoy your work so please keep up. I’d like to buy you a virtual-beer.
 
kristifercolumnbus said:
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I find it annoying that your films on Youtube don't seem to come in proper chronological order & I spend ages trying to find & remember which one I have got up too..............
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I think your worth is based on a proper sit down & a viewing .............
.....It has all the history/nature perspective & wonderful quality...........
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I hope you don't mind Kris but I pulled out these bits I do agree with, for me it's more frustrating than annoying, but I do think it's a lot to do with the Youtube layout than Dylan, or my inability to navigate YouTube smartly.

Georgio said:
,,,,, I greatly enjoy Dylan's 10 minute films and would be more than happy to pay for a DVD that simply has the video's dumped on them as-is with a very basic menu to chose which episode to watch next.

I expect that Dylan, being a professional TV bod, does not wish to produce something that is not as good as it could possibly be, while the reality is that most of us enjoy the way that each episode it a little different in pace and content.

What every you decide to do Dylan, many people enjoy your work so please keep up. I’d like to buy you a virtual-beer.
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Fully concur with this point and think others do to, I payed for the last installment and would again (in fact would have to again as I didn't save it), I love them and would pay for a DVD as they are.

A re-edited professional made for TV DVD version would be fantastic, but I am not qualified to comment whether the sales would not pay back the costs, all I can say is I think the current end results are simply brilliant Dylan, I hope some day to get the chance to buy you a real beer. :D
 
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