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andytrombone said:
It will work for me, $4.99 is half of bugger all to most of us for a series like this.

I do have a sneaking suspicion though that over the long term these films (= video documents) will become more important than you realise........
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I know that I am filming things that will be gone well within the decade.

I am very pleased that I have made a start on the journey -

I have always thought of myself as a sailor - and to have lived on the same island without having ventured out with the aim of circumnavigating it was beginning to bother me.



Dylan
 
Youtube and free content

dylanwinter said:
Sea food and not eating it

Not sure that I can stomach any of it anymore - once bitten - twice shy and all that.

I can no longer drink cider because it delivered my first experience of being heartily ill diue an excessive quantity of alcohol.



I quite agree everything on the web should be free or paid for by advertising.

And that works provided enough people want to watch the films - its a case of eyes over adverts.

70,000 eyes a day on my truck films brings me in around $1 per thousand.

So truckers get lots of films they can watch for free because there are lots of truckers.

However, 6,000 sets of sailors eyes over the entire life of a film have no measurable value to an advertiser.

So the only people who would make sailing films and give them away on you tube are clearly deranged in some way. what can I say - guilty.

Now enter plan C

The idea is to put every new film up for free at reasonable youtube size. It will stay there until I put another film up - probably a week later.

At which point it will go onto the main part of the website - it will still be available for free - as will all the other films - but only as tiny flash files - the size of a postage stamps - full length, tiny and perfectly formed.

if people are prepared to watch them at that size - then that would be a wonderful testament to their dedication to the principle that everything on the web must be free.

if on the other hand they decide that they would rather watch this material at excellent HD quality - then that will cost $4.99 for a three month ticket.

So, what I suggest you do, if you intend to stick to your principles - is to copy everything off the website over the next couple of days - Realplayer and firefox and some websites allow you do this.

I am with the band "show of hands" on this matter.

and as long as you visit the website once a week to make a copy of the latest film at reasonable quality then you can end up with everything from the series - all six hours of the stuff - for free.

of course it will hog quite a bit of space on your hard drive.

I do love this forum - it is a wonderful place to find out what people think - thanks for your honesty.

Whatever happens - the whole digital experiment has been a fascinating experience - not as good as sailing - but it continues to be entertaining.


and I have a speaking engagement booked for the dead slot after lunch at conference. It is a wonderfully illuminating and humorous story I have to tell

So, my friends, do you think plan C is likely to work.

Dylan
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I'd go for the $4.99 or £4.99 option. Sounds like a bargain
 
ok mr dylan im on board i`ll pay the $4.99 seeing as i was going to pay 99c look like im quids in :D
i seem to remember seeing one where slug is being crushed by ice but cant seem to find it again any clues

really like vids about the boat the yards and your very firm interview skills:cool:

whens the next one?
 
Next one

StevenF said:
ok mr dylan im on board i`ll pay the $4.99 seeing as i was going to pay 99c look like im quids in :D
i seem to remember seeing one where slug is being crushed by ice but cant seem to find it again any clues

really like vids about the boat the yards and your very firm interview skills:cool:

whens the next one?
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Dunno - depends on the weather - I have four more rivers to cover before catching up with my present location

I have 108 films in the archive - each one needs to be turned into four different formats and then uploaded - its a lot of digits

as for local downloads ... yes ... easy to do

and v happy for you to make copies to give to friends
 
dylanwinter said:
when does a small limpet become a big one

The trouble with sea food from around our estuaries is that there is one heck of a lot of sewage being discharged into our marine fringes.

Nearly every estuary has a pretty big town at the top of the navigation. Places like Colchester and Ipswich - even manningtree are all going to have an impact on the water quality.

Eating shellfish - often raw - that has spent its life sifting estuary mud seems like a very risky thing to do.

but what do I know?
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My brother was involved in civil engineering of sewage plants some years ago & he told me that raw sewage is no longer discharged from ANY UK plants. There are still boats with sea toilets, but most are only used occasionally. The worst area is probably the Scottish West coast where many loch-side houses still flush raw sewage direct into the loch, because there is no commercial alternative. So, shell fish, even filter feeders are quite safe. I regularly eat mussels & cockles from the Menai Straits.

Thames water is apparently recycled many times as drinking supply & then returned as treated waste before becoming drinking supplies once again.
 
my nose tells me its not nice

Searush said:
My brother was involved in civil engineering of sewage plants some years ago & he told me that raw sewage is no longer discharged from ANY UK plants. There are still boats with sea toilets, but most are only used occasionally. The worst area is probably the Scottish West coast where many loch-side houses still flush raw sewage direct into the loch, because there is no commercial alternative. So, shell fish, even filter feeders are quite safe. I regularly eat mussels & cockles from the Menai Straits.

Thames water is apparently recycled many times as drinking supply & then returned as treated waste before becoming drinking supplies once again.
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it may not be raw but it still smells bad - colchester, clcton, wodbridge - all have v smelly outfalls.

the sewage may not be raw - but it still contains a lot of stuff that should not be there

D
 
Searush said:
The worst area is probably the Scottish West coast where many loch-side houses still flush raw sewage direct into the loch, because there is no commercial alternative.
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Even there this is increasingly uncommon. In the past few years WT works have been established for lots of small coastal communities previously considered uneconomic (pressure from EU water quality directive maybe?) and the Ns to Ms have contained lots of "new outfall established" notes.
 
dylanwinter said:
it may not be raw but it still smells bad - colchester, clcton, wodbridge - all have v smelly outfalls.

the sewage may not be raw - but it still contains a lot of stuff that should not be there

D
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Dylan, I don't know those areas, but aren't they muddy creeks?

Very fine sand & mud creates ideal conditions for anerobic bacteria & these generate Hydrogen Sulphide (marsh gas - the stink bomb smell). So it may have nothing to do with Water Treatment (or lack of it!) or sewage anyway.
 
Searush said:
Dylan,

Very fine sand & mud creates ideal conditions for anerobic bacteria & these generate Hydrogen Sulphide (marsh gas - the stink bomb smell). So it may have nothing to do with Water Treatment (or lack of it!) or sewage anyway.
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Excellent response............will have to try that excuse on the wife next time I am suffering with the 'new delhi belly' ..................no dear it wasn't me, think you will find its the anerobic bacteria that generate the foul smelling Hydrogen Sulphide :)

Knew there were other good resaons for boating on the east coast!
 
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the mud smells lovely

Searush said:
Dylan, I don't know those areas, but aren't they muddy creeks?

Very fine sand & mud creates ideal conditions for anerobic bacteria & these generate Hydrogen Sulphide (marsh gas - the stink bomb smell). So it may have nothing to do with Water Treatment (or lack of it!) or sewage anyway.
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its not the mud, its the sewage outfalls that smell bad

the sewage outfall at the top of the colne - and the one between clacton and frinton were real bunners.

the outfall for london was a site to see

you know the water authority runs bubbling barges designed to put oxygen into the thames

sea-food - especially cockles, welks and oysters - not for me

d
 
Searush said:
The worst area is probably the Scottish West coast where many loch-side houses still flush raw sewage direct into the loch, because there is no commercial alternative.
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Can't they use septic tanks? My household sewage goes into a tank and then discharges into the River Urr. I've got a SEPA certificate allowing me to do that.
 
Hi Dylan,
I think I owe you an apology;
Combined Sewage Overflows

It seems that some of the Victorian systems (marvels of their time, but now sadly, grossly overloaded) are still in use & in periods of heavy rainfall they suffer overflows where the grey water (storm water) mixed with raw sewage is allowed to spill over into the river. I suspect that the number of people living in the area has a lot to do with the overload situations and paved over gardens (for car parking) aggravate the run-off problem.
 
With one of those places being London. When I was a rower, it was one of the less pleasant aspects of the sport - launching the boat into the Thames after a rainstorm. ug.
 
one of the great things

Keen_Ed said:
With one of those places being London. When I was a rower, it was one of the less pleasant aspects of the sport - launching the boat into the Thames after a rainstorm. ug.
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one of the great things about the journey has been seeing all the places where englishmen will race boats.

there is one tiny club around the back of an island on the blackwater. Only has water for three hours a day - but still they race.

currently on an anchor at Iken cliff

D
 
I don't agree that everything on the internet should be free or payed for by advertising.

I am quite happy for people to charge, But I'm not paying.

How about a "donate now" button used by some Forums I use.

That would allow those that want to pay, pay whatever they want, and, as it is a donation, there would be less complaints.


On the seafood front, I believe that your stomachs microbiology can also "remember" past bad experiences, and react as soon as it senses the threat again.

You can retrain it by giving it v small amounts until It decides the offending substances are not a threat anymore. (No I havn't been drinking, Yet)
 
dylanwinter said:
Now enter plan C

The idea is to put every new film up for free at reasonable youtube size. It will stay there until I put another film up - probably a week later.

At which point it will go onto the main part of the website - it will still be available for free - as will all the other films - but only as tiny flash files - the size of a postage stamps - full length, tiny and perfectly formed.

if people are prepared to watch them at that size - then that would be a wonderful testament to their dedication to the principle that everything on the web must be free.

if on the other hand they decide that they would rather watch this material at excellent HD quality - then that will cost $4.99 for a three month ticket.

So, what I suggest you do, if you intend to stick to your principles - is to copy everything off the website over the next couple of days - Realplayer and firefox and some websites allow you do this.

I am with the band "show of hands" on this matter.

and as long as you visit the website once a week to make a copy of the latest film at reasonable quality then you can end up with everything from the series - all six hours of the stuff - for free.

of course it will hog quite a bit of space on your hard drive.

I do love this forum - it is a wonderful place to find out what people think - thanks for your honesty.

Whatever happens - the whole digital experiment has been a fascinating experience - not as good as sailing - but it continues to be entertaining.


and I have a speaking engagement booked for the dead slot after lunch at conference. It is a wonderfully illuminating and humorous story I have to tell

So, my friends, do you think plan C is likely to work.

Dylan
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No.
I find it annoying that your films on Youtube don't seem to come in proper chronological order & I spend ages trying to find & remember which one I have got up too.Then when I find it it is just 3/4/5 minutes & I would like to sit down & watch a long run.It is all becoming a bit more trouble than it is worth Dylan.
There are some fantastic films out there & the supply seems endless.This morning I watched among others one on a Polynesian sailing canoe being handled by the natives.It was quite wonderful.
I think your worth is based on a proper sit down & a viewing of a proper film of say 1 hour duration.
That said Dylan if the BBC or some other organization don't take up your films as a proper documentary then frankly they are a disgrace.....It has all the history/nature perspective & wonderful quality.Stick with it mate I'm sure you will be recognized one day.
Incidentally without a presence on youtube I would have thought your customers would dry up through lack of advertising.
All the best.
 
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