KAD 42 Super charger clutch - quickie on wiring

petem said:
Bruce, Volvo often change the part number when they use a new supplier. I guess that with a Volvo part you can have more confidence that it will be to the same spec as the original and should work out of the box. If it's a duff part then you can be sure that dealers will complain.

With a pattern part, as you have purchased, it could be any old Air Conditioning clutch that some company has sourced.

I guess there are some parts that it's safe to use a pattern equivalent for and others that will be inferior.

There are a couple of active Facebook Groups for VP engines. Might be worth asking somewhere there if they can recommend a better pattern part?

@volvopaul will correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall that he's not happy fitting OEM parts for the very reason you have discovered.

Sorry if this sounds patronizing, it's not my intention!

Pete
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Pete, see the above posts. Volvo do not make our clutch any more. Secondly Volvo never made the SC in the first place either. Bit like your turbo charger. Ogura make clutches, it just so happens they also made the SC but their main trade is clutches. So whereas I dont see your comments as patronising I do see them as somewhat myopic. Yes in this instance the vendor has cocked up but I would never have any concerns about buying an original manufacturer's clutch despite it not arriving in a Volvo box in much the same way I suspect you'd have no issue having your turbos replaced with an original Borg Warner at half price of the exact green painted variant even if Porto will tell you it's shite despite the man running Borg Warners himself.
 
BruceK said:
Pete, see the above posts. Volvo do not make our clutch any more. Secondly Volvo never made the SC in the first place either. Bit like your turbo charger. Ogura make clutches, it just so happens they also made the SC but their main trade is clutches. So whereas I dont see your comments as patronising I do see them as somewhat myopic. Yes in this instance the vendor has cocked up but I would never have any concerns about buying an original manufacturer's clutch despite it not arriving in a Volvo box in much the same way I suspect you'd have no issue having your turbos replaced with an original Borg Warner at half price of the exact green painted variant even if Porto will tell you it's shite despite the man running Borg Warners himself.
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Hang on no need to get personal , we all trying to help .
This has nothing to do with Borg Warner turbos , if they are the exact same , but different packages....then fine .
I did say ^^^ early on post #22 ?

“I think we have all regretted sometimes ( not always ) not going the OEM route with parts“

This is based on experience, messing with classic cars and others .

Eg the lower front suspension arms for a Bentley GT £250 + vat also fit a Audi A8 , £100 + vat , or a pattern part for less , but the Bentley has slightly thicker rubber bushes ( it’s heavy in W12 version ) ,it’s chunkier in size , so out lasts the others . Many other examples .
eg the temp sender on Ferrari V8 @ £80 is the same as a golf at £12 ....exactly the same so zero regrets later . + much more .
As PeteM says you pick up this stuff from forums and FB ,
Oil filters are a huge subject on F V8 forums , get that wrong for the sake of a few £ and it’s gets very expensive...even thought it fits and outwardly as your SC clutch looks the same . Something along the lines of the paper element inside is rubbish and collapses starving the engine .

Its not unusual for pattern parts or remanufactured to be slightly out or cut corners ....Normally they are fine but you cant dismiss that lingering doubt .Thats where owners groups come in useful , shared learning .

As far as MAN turbos go they are KKK , to date nothing seems to corrode ,
 
I was referring to another thread. Your KKK are BW. No Im am not taking things personally at all or responding in kind. What this board is particularly good at is returning in hindsight to offer advice without taking time to fully read. I knew it was not an original part , it doesnt exist anymore. I thought on purchasing it was a Volvo part. On receiving it I was not suspicious the quality is excellent. I certainly do not believe its a pattern part. You talk about an inbalance like it was turned incorrectly. I assured you this was not the case and any vibration is restricted to clutch engaging briefly. I found the fault but you would have me look for another. Porto you are like a dog with a bone. Of late if you can be venemous about VP you take every opportunity to denigrade it before pontificating about how marvellous and wonderfull yours is. So if there is a carry over understand that in trying to help you've slowly also dug a shallow grave for your comments by your dogma. Then Pete, seriously, the man who makes a pastime of collecting info on non Volvo original parts and where to get them giving me a lecture on using Volvo before excusing himself for being patronising when I know the man has more wit than that. Ya no, I take it back I sometimes get a little grumpy.
 
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BruceK said:
Pete, see the above posts. Volvo do not make our clutch any more. Secondly Volvo never made the SC in the first place either. Bit like your turbo charger. Ogura make clutches, it just so happens they also made the SC but their main trade is clutches. So whereas I dont see your comments as patronising I do see them as somewhat myopic. Yes in this instance the vendor has cocked up but I would never have any concerns about buying an original manufacturer's clutch despite it not arriving in a Volvo box in much the same way I suspect you'd have no issue having your turbos replaced with an original Borg Warner at half price of the exact green painted variant even if Porto will tell you it's shite despite the man running Borg Warners himself.
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Just got a message from a mate. He bought part number 3581724 for his KAD300 last week from from VP.

As you say above, it is an Ogura and has the plug and diode already fitted.

This is what it looks like...

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How does it compare to the one that you were supplied?

Pete
 
petem said:
Just got a message from a mate. He bought part number 3581724 for his KAD300 last week from from VP.

As you say above, it is an Ogura and has the plug and diode already fitted.

This is what it looks like...

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How does it compare to the one that you were supplied?

Pete
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well the plug and diode look the same . :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
 
BruceK said:
I was referring to another thread. Your KKK are BW. No Im am not taking things personally at all or responding in kind. What this board is particularly good at is returning in hindsight to offer advice without taking time to fully read. I knew it was not an original part , it doesnt exist anymore. I thought on purchasing it was a Volvo part. On receiving it I was not suspicious the quality is excellent. I certainly do not believe its a pattern part. You talk about an inbalance like it was turned incorrectly. I assured you this was not the case and any vibration is restricted to clutch engaging briefly. I found the fault but you would have me look for another. Porto you are like a dog with a bone. Of late if you can be venemous about VP you take every opportunity to denigrade it before pontificating about how marvellous and wonderfull yours is. So if there is a carry over understand that in trying to help you've slowly also dug a shallow grave for your comments by your dogma. Then Pete, seriously, the man who makes a pastime of collecting info on non Volvo original parts and where to get them giving me a lecture on using Volvo before excusing himself for being patronising when I know the man has more wit than that. Ya no, I take it back I sometimes get a little grumpy.
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I was only trying to help. The way I read your posts, you were suggesting that VP cannot sell a clutch for yours or my supercharger. That's not the case, if you call them they will sell you a 3581724. I also went to the effort of contacting a mate who I knew had purchased one this week (so that I could be sure of the above) and he kindly sent me a photo of the part number so that you could check it against the one you have received.
 
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Sorry Pete. Just getting grumpy. Didn't need the lecture. If you had read from the beginning you'd have seen I thought it was original.
 
Portofino said:
Howden Turbo - Wikipedia

Where are going with all this back of house corporate stuff Bruce ?
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That the companies you have touted as being rubbish are the same ones that supply yours Porto. It gets tiring listenning to your constant VP doom and gloom prophecies. Where as there are grains of truth in all you say you exaggerate to the extent of bullshit at times. When a fella is struggling with something he doesnt need to hear that kind of crap.
 
petem said:
I was only trying to help. The way I read your posts, you were suggesting that VP cannot sell a clutch for yours or my supercharger. That's not the case, if you call them they will sell you a 3581724. I also went to the effort of contacting a mate who I knew had purchased one this week (so that I could be sure of the above) and he kindly sent me a photo of the part number so that you could check it against the one you have received.
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Don’t worry Pete, Bruce could start an argument in an empty room ???

God love him though......he is dedicated to fixing stuff and a thread started by him is always interesting ??
 
BruceK said:
Sorry Pete. Just getting grumpy. Didn't need the lecture. If you had read from the beginning you'd have seen I thought it was original.
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No problem Bruce.

Incidentally, for future reference, does anyone know what VP parts a non VP seller is able to sell? I'd assumed that you'd need to go to a VP dealer to get VP branded parts but Keyparts seem to sell a mixture of official VP and pattern parts.
 
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