Just how much should I pay?

[Dave_Snelson]

Assuming my potential purchase of the aforementioned Windy 8800 goes ahead (survey tomorrow) I need to transport it to North Wales (sorry to Sun Coast, I haven't time right now to motor it round). The journey is 350 miles, 700 round trip for driver.

I have been quoted £581 for the transport to include 3 axle trailer and large 4x4 and driver. The boat is 28' and approx 2.5 tonnes. At this stage I am assuming that would include craning out onto said trailer.

Is this price OK?

By the way, approx how much are camper canvas covers?

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[duncan]

looks about right but I wouldn't expect crane costs included either end, and he probably won't won't to get his wheels wet!
camper canvas can vary so much.......700-1000? including fittings.

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[martynwhiteley]

Be a bit careful with the trailer option Dave.

When I bought my 27ft Birchwood, I was given totally conflicting statements from various transporters. Most said it was too heavy to trail, but I was assured by one company that they could do it. I was told by others that it would be ILLEGAL since the boat would weigh more than 3 ton. (Your weight sounds a bit light for the Windy).

I was reluctant to hire the trailer method, so arranged for a low loader (no more expensive), but they concelled when they had a better offer from Yamaha.

I didn't want to wait any longer, so I asked the trailer guy to do it. When quizzed about the legalities, he was vague and responded with a sort of ' I won't tell if you don't'.

In the event, after arriving to do the job he had to acknowledge it was beyond his capabilities, and I waited for the low loader. I since wondered if insurance would have been invalid.

It cost me £300 to go 100 miles with Beverley Transport. Faulkner's quoted £250 but had a long waiting list. The trailer guy wanted £300.

The lift is likely to cost anything between £60-120 at each end.

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[Alistairr]

My 25' Rinker cuddy weighs just under 2.5t, it was delivered from the dealer in Swansea to Loch Lomond, They rented a trailer used their own Izuzu 4x4 and driver, i met him at the marina where he slipped the trailer in for me to drive the boat off, then drove back with no return load...
The charge £250.. Not bad i think.........

Your quote £581, I think sounds reasonable.,...

Cheers....

Alistair......



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[TwoStroke]

My 20ft Four Winns was delivered from Salcombe (Plymouth) to Brighton Marina on low loader £411.25 plus £30.00 to crane into water. Would have been a lot less if boat trailer had been twin axle and not single (about £200 all in).

See if the place you are buying the boat from has any more boats coming in - then you can piggy back a return trip. That's what I managed to do from Salcombe.

Sounds like a reasonable price - expect crane fees to be excluded.

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[byron]

Seeing the concern over the Windy's weight I have looked it up. The displacement weight is given as 3 tons. This will be more than the actual weight (deadweight) So the Trailer on offer will cope.
Whilst calling up the details I also got the following details :-Length overall as 28'10" Beam 9'6" and the price in 1988 was £45,923.00p

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[Dave_Snelson]

Well Byron - where on Earth did you find all this? The info on the advert stated something like 2.45 tonnes. And with regard to LOA, maybe it shrunk as soon as it got wet!

I like the price though, 'cos if mine passes the survey (and it looks very well and has two new motors, plus lpg) then I reckon its a bargain at £18,000.

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[byron]

I have records on boats 1988 backwards. NB. If you measure the 'overall' length you will find the figures correct.. have you added in the projection of the outdrive?

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[whisper]

Sorry to appear thick but why will the actual weight of the boat be less than the displacement ? Also, isn't the deadweight a different measurement altogether and doesn't really mean weight as such. Trying hard to remember back to my Observer Book of Ships days - with little success !!

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[trev]

Re: Deadweight?

Sorry to take you to task, Byron - but deadweight has nothing to do with the weight of the boat - its the difference between light and loaded displacement. The displacement at any given condition is the weight of the vessel (Archimedes).

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[tr7v8]

My Draco was delivered by Essex Boatyards on a 3 axle trailer and Landie Disco. I suspect it's probably top limit for trailing both weight & size as although nominal 25ft I suspect it's nearer 27+. I'd have thought the 8800 too big for conventional trailer and would have to be lowloadered.Cranage will be £80-£120 at each end.

Just come down the M3 and seen Essex Boatyards Disco and trailer with a brand new Arvor on the back obviously off to it's new owner, anyone on the forum?


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[byron]

Re: Deadweight?

Hmmm! Maybe my use of the word 'deadweight' was misleading. What I was trying to say is that although something displaces X amount of water, this isn't the same as the actual weight in terms of on a weighing machine.
Or am I wrong ?

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[burgundyben]

Re: Deadweight?

I think you are wrong Byron old chap.

mass * force = weight = displacement

in this sense mass is total molecluar mass of the material and force is gravity, weight in kgs = displacement in litres or kgs

remember 1 kg of water has a volume of 1 litre (slightly inaccurate for salt water)



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[byron]

Re: Deadweight?

SIGH /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif Yes! Well! I still reckon that the little Git that got it from Tony Martin deserved it.

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[martynwhiteley]

Further to my earlier response, I was told by one transporter that there was a weight limit for towing, regardless of the vehicle used and its manufacturers recommendation. I think it was 4 ton, but it may have been 4 1/2.

At first I said, "no problem", my boat only weighs 3 1/2 tons, but they said, "ah, but the limit includes the weight of the trailer and one that size will be well over a ton.

IMHO the Windy must weigh at least 3 tons. Perhaps if all fluids were drained, every drop removed from every tank, all warps, fenders, covers, extra nav gear, etc. etc. you may get close to the manufacturers 'dry' weight.

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[Pendana]

Beverly Transport charged me £700 to transport 3.5Tonne boat from Bucklers Hard to Hartlepool - 300 miles.
Plus £80 at each end for lift out/in.

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[BarryD]

£500 sounds about right plus the lift. I had a 32 footer towed from Chichester to Essex Boatyards (about 170 miles) for £150+VAT but they were selling it.

I would be tempted though to remind you, it's a boat not a caravan. Find some forumites to help and bring it round via the wet stuff in stages. You will have fun and learn a lot about your boat. Make the last leg with someone from your chosen home marina and it's a doddle (just er... don't try to go on the plane into a lock - nuff said).



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[longjohnsilver]

Price in 1988

Varied between £38564 and £49980 depending on engine types.

You keep old copies of MBY too do you Byron? /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[byron]

Re: Price in 1988

No John, I have annually printed reference books. I also have a load of later stuff on CD too but not as comprehensive as boats from my era.

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[Dave_Snelson]

Barry - If I had the time, I really would love to do just that...

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