Journey not quite as planned :(

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We have over 20 years experience with driving and maintaining rhibs, mainly for diving, have both done basic navigation and powerboat qualifications and in September 2012 purchased our first motorboat, a Beneteau Antares 8. Twelve months later we moved up to an Antares 980 based in Plymouth. So far we’ve been to Salcombe, Dartmouth and Brixham to the east and Fowey to the west. We regularly nip up the Tamar and practise mooring in different berths and picking up buoys. We’ve also made 4 trips up the Yealm which is the main point of the story.

We wanted to go out of Plymouth , up the Yealm to the first visitor’s pontoon and take our dinghy to have lunch in the Ship Inn. The inshore forecast was wind westerly 3 or 4, sea state slight or moderate. We also checked the BBC local weather forecast which indicated the strongest wind should be around 15 mph on our return. All seemed good. We set off towards Cawsand to leave The Sound by the western entrance then out and directly around to the Yealm. There were several other vessels out and the sea looked as predicted.

We arrived at the pontoon roughly 90 minutes before high tide and the wind had increased considerably making mooring quite a challenge. Finally with ropes on we decided not to bother with the dinghy but to have lunch and leave on slack which we did. Two gents in a shrimper tied up by us for lunch having come around from Saltash.

Leaving the Yealm was no problem but as we crossed Wembury Bay things started to get lively. Before we reached the Mewstone we were in extremely rough water with huge waves tossing us around like a ping pong ball. The waves were crashing over onto the flybridge, the windscreen was constantly flooded so visibility was nil for much of the time. Items which I had previously thought were well stowed became missiles. My husband feared that if he tried to turn back we would be swamped so he carried on while I caught and threw our possessions into the forward cabin out of the way. I also called the coastguard. We didn’t need assistance but I wanted someone to know where we were and it was comforting to speak to the young man in Falmouth. We gave the Mewstone and Shag Rock a wide berth and finally headed in to the eastern entrance. The journey from Wembury Bay to reaching the Sound took well over an hour and it’s the first time I’ve ever been worried at sea.

We’ve mulled over this incident to try to decide how we can avoid repeating it. As far as planning goes I need to find more information about sea conditions. Maybe one of the surf sites would have predicted the swell and we wouldn’t have set out. Once we started to realise that the sea was much worse then we’d expected perhaps we should have turned back. We could have remained up the river until things improved even if it took days. We have been told that we would have given up long before the boat would but it was hair raising. We’ve also agreed that while both of us are capable of bringing the boat in and out of berths, hubby is more experienced at skippering, and physically stronger to cope with the big seas, and I’m the planner so we’re going to each concentrate on developing our own particular skills rather than try to be masters of everything.

Comments or advice gratefully received.
 
but hey you got through it and you both learnt from the experience with nobody hurt and nothing damaged! Was a great learning experience for you
 
Yes we did thank you and we also had those thoughts. Luckily we were not too far from 'home' and I think we planned as much as we could have based on our previous experiences. I'll definitely be more meticulous the next time we go out.
 
Wind Guru is worth a look..... there is a small subscription to pay, but I think it is well worth it.
Many apps and websites are all based on the same raw data, its how they interpret that data that makes them different.
 
Next time it's not just the forecast, but also a good idea to continually monitor local conditions and be prepared to leave early or abort if they change.
also be aware of the effects of wind over tide and overfalls.

However it's the case that most crews will give up well before a well found boat will have a problem.
Most of us will have been through similar experiences, Character-forming though isn't it.
 
Well done for articulating the experience and posting here!

The first thing I do (apart from driving my wife mad), if there is a chance of rough seas, I throw the stuff that I know (from similar experiences) is likely to become "missiles" onto bunks or somewhere they cannot hurt people... then there is the issue of "what do I need to hand during the passage ?" .... including water and biscuits..

There are some great websites on wind observations .. such as http://www.xcweather.co.uk/ and wave forecast http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/marine/weather?&05&CONT=ukuk&WIND=g050 ... but the latter ones does not do the local stuff which you will be looking for ... however it may (after making some correlations over time) give you an indication of what you can expect....

However, if you take the first one and consider the tidal streams etc., in the area you are cruising in, then you can make an educated guess of what to expect...

As you get to know your boat (in various sea states), you will learn better on how to optimise speed & comfort in relation to the wave direction, which will make a big difference in how you perceive and experience the conditions.

... most important of all, have fun and be safe!! .... It is better to not having left the harbour, than to have left and regret it ...
 
Unsettling incident, and thanks for sharing - but one thing you should take away from it is how capable your boat is. We all get caught in unexpected conditions, despite planning (my worst was the Alderney race), and so it's comforting to know that the boat can stand up to it, even if a few things get thrown around inside a bit. Don't let it put you off.
 
I agree all the above. You don't say what shape the waves were but I wonder whether you had wind against tide? 20 knots of wind pushing against 4 knots of tidal flow (maybe faster close to a headland) makes for a much worse sea than 20 knots of wind on open water. Worth backward calculating to see if this was relevant. If it was, take it into account when you're planning

(I have sailed and motored in the exact places you refer to but it was years ago and I don't know them well enough to be any more specific than the above rather general comments)

Well done in getting through it anyway!
 
Sometimes, it just happens, but "moderate" is up to 2.5m, and you can always chuck in some more for wind over tide and headlands. Something else to check is whether the forecast is suggesting a deterioration or an improvement during the day. It is also a good idea to check several sites, just be sure they are not a representation of the same forecast, though. Still, I think there is an element of baptism by fire. Another time you will know both you and the boat can handle this, and then it does not seem to be so worrying and dramatic.
Couple of years ago down near Falmouth we took a picnic onto a beach, and it did not really occur to me that the wind was blowing straight onto the beach. We had lunch, the wind picked up, the tide turned and suddenly we were looking at ridiculous waves and surf to get back to the boat in the tender. We made it, but that was a lesson. Just for the record, the other really bad lesson was in Brittany..sea was not great to start with, but hitting the flow out of a major river in full fload, wind over tide...well, as a local barge captain said to me sternly the next morning...you should not have been there. Very true, and noted, and I do not want to be there again, anyway. Ever.
 
Agree with all that's been said so far. But one question, you said you left on slack, did you mean high water in the Yealm or slack outside, which is about 3-4 hours later. If the latter then what you experienced was probably wind against tide, but even then there would not have been much tide running, and with HW around lunchtime then it was also a neap tide.

We've all been there, unpleasant at the time but gives you something to look back on and be pleased that you coped.
 
Thanks everyone there's much there to think about. We left the pontoon at High water so it was slack where we were. I did consider that there might have been a small element of wind over tide as we left the Pontoon at 2.30 and didn't arrive in the Sound until nearly 5 o'clock.

I have to confess that I didn't look at tidal streams for this particular journey but will do so this afternoon to see if it helps to explain what happened. For the longer trips (If you can call Brixham a long trip) I do check but I think as we've done this little hop before and it's so close I was complacent.
 
Thanks everyone there's much there to think about. We left the pontoon at High water so it was slack where we were. I did consider that there might have been a small element of wind over tide as we left the Pontoon at 2.30 and didn't arrive in the Sound until nearly 5 o'clock.

I have to confess that I didn't look at tidal streams for this particular journey but will do so this afternoon to see if it helps to explain what happened. For the longer trips (If you can call Brixham a long trip) I do check but I think as we've done this little hop before and it's so close I was complacent.

Sounds like you were unlucky rather than complacent. With a westerly wind and East going tide it should not have been a problem, apart from the fact it was on the nose. Just one of those things, I don't think anyone would worry too much about either in the short hop to the Yealm.
 
Reminds me of my first boat in the UK, a 9m Bayliner. After a handful of coastal trips only, we decided we eanted to go cross channel. The plan was that we would go out in anything up to F4, as we felt we could come back in a F5 if necessary. All packed and fueled up, the wind was marginal... F4 to F5. Not sure, we decided to see how it goes... left Gosport and around the IoW... perfectly flat seas... mid-channel the chart showed some waves so we had no concerns when it started... but then it kept getting worse... we dropped to 6 knots until everyone was seasick and then decided to go up again... we literally surfed into Cherbourg, having had F5 against tide for at least half the way.

Only afterwards did I learn about wind over tide... ☺
 
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+1 to the comments above on having learnt what the boat can handle and also posting the experience.

Wembury Bay can kick you, I've experienced the same. There is a short swell that builds up in certain conditions. Were the waves fairly close together, rounded on the top?
 
The waves were close together. I couldn't see the top of them as they were at least 30ft above my head :ambivalence: We're lucky to be able to spend a lot of time on the boat so we've decided to go out every day when we're down even if it's only around the breakwater and back to get some more experience in different conditions. We have always avoided going out if the forecast is unfavourable but I don't think we can come to too much harm as long as entry to and exit of the marina is ok. I will make sure that everything is well stowed in future whatever the forecast.
 
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