Jet ski rant

Cymrogwyllt

Cymrogwyllt

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Sticking my neck out but

There should be a legal limit on the noise output of the monstrocities.

The vast majority of people go to the sea shore to enjoy the peace and quiet.

Instead they find the peace shattered by said things running around at full throttle. Many communities are blighted by them for months on end.

I had to grin when I saw one that had been ruining a fishing trip on the Conwy go for the beach. They rolled the trailer back (by hand, no rope to van) The steep river bank promptly saw the trailer go to Davey Jones leaving the scousers (obvious by the loud cursing and swearing) to carry the jet ski manually to the back of the van.

At least we got some quiet fishing in after laughing.
 
Never had one and don't mind them but most people that use them have no idea about boating ....i hate legislation but on this occasion a half day course for them and insurance should be brought in.
 
There is already a course they can do but it is not mandatory, however it does make insurance and launching cheaper (in Torquay). The dealers of new PWC's are supposed to recommend the course to all buyers and give them a discount on the course. When standard they are no noisier than any motor boat, but some choose to 'upgrade' them with straight through exhausts which are very noisey! Most PWC users are responsible and know what they are doing but as ever it is the minority of idiots that spoil it for everyone else...

BTW 'Jetski' is a trademark of Kawasaki the general term is PWC - Personal Water Craft :)
 
Cymrogwyllt said:
There should be a legal limit on the noise output of the monstrocities.
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There is. But it's an EC Directive, so I'm sure a lot of people will resent it, and believe that it should not apply in the UK!

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:1994L0025:20031120:en:PDF
Annex 1C 1. NOISE EMISSION LEVELS
1.1. Recreational craft withinboard or stern drive engines without integral
exhaust, personal watercraft and outboard engines and stern drive
engines with integral exhaust shall be designed, constructed and
assembled so that noise emissions measured in accordance with tests
defined in the harmonised standard (1) shall not exceed the limit values
in the following table:
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Sorry, I can't make the table reproduce on the forum, but it boils down to 75dBA measured at a distance of 25m at a speed of 38kts for single-engined boats and PWCs, and 78dBA for twin-engined boats.
 
So, there ya go, Glynn, just find a handy bobby with a noisemeter. :D

Should be a few of them around N Wales with the Heddlu attitude to tourist bikers & motorists. Borrow one from Bettws y Coed. PLEASE!
 
Csail said:
Never had one and don't mind them but most people that use them have no idea about boating ....i hate legislation but on this occasion a half day course for them and insurance should be brought in.
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I dont think this is actually true.

The majority of Jet ski owners are quite well trained but you do get a few hooligans spoiling things as always, as you get in any form of boating.

There is a lot of sea out there, live and let live.
 
Searush said:
So, there ya go, Glynn, just find a handy bobby with a noisemeter. :D

Should be a few of them around N Wales with the Heddlu attitude to tourist bikers & motorists. Borrow one from Bettws y Coed. PLEASE!
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I'd give them a rowing boat as well but then they'd have to do some real wrok ;)
 
Searush said:
So, there ya go, Glynn, just find a handy bobby with a noisemeter. :D

Should be a few of them around N Wales with the Heddlu attitude to tourist bikers & motorists. Borrow one from Bettws y Coed. PLEASE!
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A couple of bobbies put in an appearance in the marina at PD on Saturday. They turned up in a nice shiny fast patrol car, but when they got out of the car I thought it had been stolen by two blokes in sports gear.

One was wearing the polo shirt/combat look and the other was wearing black combat trousers, some sort of t shirt and a short black jacket with no police markings on it at all.

If they attempted to stop a recalcitrant jet skier, I doubt the miscreant will recognise them as the long arm of the law.

I hope Cymrogwyllt doesn't mind me posting on his thread, as he doesn't appear to like Englishman living in 'his' Welsh houses.
 
A jetskier passed me at max chat as I was on my out to my mooring today. As I steered my tender into his wake in order to avoid my tender getting swamped, I gave him the international hand signal implying that he was in the regular habit of committing the sin of Onan. I had to laugh as his passenger returned this with a cheerful wave of acknowledgement:rolleyes:
 
Gk 66 said:
A jetskier passed me at max chat as I was on my out to my mooring today. As I steered my tender into his wake in order to avoid my tender getting swamped, I gave him the international hand signal implying that he was in the regular habit of committing the sin of Onan. I had to laugh as his passenger returned this with a cheerful wave of acknowledgement:rolleyes:
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Has anyone actually seen/experienced an inflatable tender being swamped by wake?

A couple of years ago I drifted down the Menai Strait in my tender, enjoying the sun and reading my book.

I was passed by loads of mobos, large and small and my tender just bobbed over any wake with the minimum of fuss and can hardly accept that a jetski's wake would swamp an inflatable.
 
=Major Catastrophe;2891182]One was wearing the polo shirt/combat look and the other was wearing black combat trousers, some sort of t shirt and a short black jacket with no police markings on it at all.
That'd be the North Wales Paramilitaries. (Gogplod) A special force of highly trained killers whose sole aim in life is to dish out 9000 speeding tickets per diem.


Major Catastrophe said:
Has anyone actually seen/experienced an inflatable tender being swamped by wake?
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Wake, Wave, Wake Wave.

Ain't it strange how changing one letter can turn a natural phenomenon into an anti social behaviour pattern?
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Couple of issues for Major & Searider;

Major, you were drifting, now try motoring into a wake. And do it with a couple of ladies aboard. I hope you survive their reactions to getting their asses wet.

Searider, wake in waves is never a problem, but the Dick Heads produce max wash in flat water & that is what causes aggravation. Sadly many craft are too unseaworthy to create wash at sea, so they feel the need to whizz round in circles, jumping their own wash in the knowledge that it will all die down & be safe again in a little while.

So, by all means enjoy yourselves, guys, but try to understand the impact that selfishness can have on others.
 
Searush said:
so they feel the need to whizz round in circles, jumping their own wash in the knowledge that it will all die down & be safe again in a little while.

So, by all means enjoy yourselves, guys, but try to understand the impact that selfishness can have on others.
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That's hit the nail on the head. In Summer practically every accessible beach has numbers of them in the same place for hour after hour leaving the majority of beach users and nearby residents to endure the noise rather than the natural sounds of a beach.
 
Cymrogwyllt said:
...the natural sounds of a beach.
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Screaming kids, mobile phones, drunken teenagers, and people whingeing on about dogs?

Seriously, I suspect part of the problem may be that the legislation (realistically) has to permit decent-sized boats with decent-sized engines -- which it does. But a couple of big diesels rumbling past in the distance on their way to somewhere else are a lot less annoying than a high pitched buzz that never goes far away -- even if the meter readings at 25m are identical.

OTOH, I'm sure the PW users would be much happier if they were not forced to go "round and round in circles" Maybe part of the problem is that local authorities feel the need to "control" them, which often seems to mean telling them that they mustlaunch here, park there, and stay in such and such designated area.
 
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