Japs at it again

When will someone arrest these irresponsible greenies for their dangerous activities. ****ing to$$ers. They've lost one ship due to their activities and trying to lose another.
 
Sea Shepherd should be stopped. Like it or not, Japanese whaling is not actually illegal because they haven't signed up to any anti whaling treaty. What they do might not be popular, but if governments don't have the power to stop them, why does Sea Shepherd think it does?

If these ecoterrorists are going to insist on closely covering the whaling ships then they have to face the fact that they will end up in a collision sooner or later.

Sad to say, it's Sea Shepherd that is going to kill someone sooner rather than later, they're endangering the lives of themselves as well as the lives of the whalers.
 
Even conservationists must take a dim view of these environmental terrorists, and their dangerous manouvers. Whatever the moral issue of whale hunting, the Japanese are engaged in a legal activity, and should be left in peace to get on with it.
 
Nice to see an organisation with the guts to do something about it, oh but of course the Japanese harvest the whales for research, how convenient they can set their own quota, and that no part of the whale should be wasted, would love to know what it is they are researching that needs almost 1000 whales per season?????????
 
So - because Japan doesn't agree with saving the whales, it is perfectly ok to allow them to continue killing them off ...

Whilst the ecoterrorists actions are on the strong side (they could just wander around streets with placards, but that ain't gonna work is it!) it doesn't give the Japanese boats the right to ram them. The problem with this game of Cat & Mouse is that they will eventually have to go the next step when the current tactics do not work.

As for the ecoterrorists actions endagering the lives of the whalers ... well, only to a point - the whalers have a choice - they don't have to be there, they are peferctly at liberty to go home or away from the area.
 
Dave_Seager said:
Although Sea Shepherd's spokesman claimed that Bob Barker was rammed by a japanese whaler the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI2C5TCuFMk tells a different story. From the video it is clear that Bob Barker was overtaking the japanese ship and then turned into her. Regardless of the issues about whaling, this is a clear breach of the IRPCS by Bob Barker which I find totally unacceptable.
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Hmm - overtaking - probably not, but yes - the overtaking vessel

Turned into the Japanese vessel? 6 of 1, 1/2 dozen of the other - from the screen grab it is pretty clear both vessels turned into each other.

Now - blame point of view - the collision occurred because the SI was manoeuvring to get close enough to throw missiles at the Japanese vessel. Neither vessel made any attempt to widen that gap.

Unfortunately - this matter is not very Civil - down there it probably feels like a War - and ultimately it is. How will it end? The only way it can end is for the Japanese to stop Whaling (even if they do claim it is for research) - as even if the crew of the SI get arrested there will be more to replace them ad-infinitum !!
 
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fireball said:
As for the ecoterrorists actions endagering the lives of the whalers ... well, only to a point - the whalers have a choice - they don't have to be there, they are peferctly at liberty to go home or away from the area.
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Sure, they could do that. But being there just happens to be their job. If they go home then I wouldn't have thought they'd get paid, so an unpopular solution amongst the whalers I should imagine.


Also, who says the area is a conservation zone? It's part of Australian Antarctic waters, so it's up to the Australians to maintain the law there. The fact that they don't tells me that what the Japs are up to there isn't going against any law.
 
Woodlouse said:
Also, who says the area is a conservation zone? It's part of Australian Antarctic waters, so it's up to the Australians to maintain the law there. The fact that they don't tells me that what the Japs are up to there isn't going against any law.
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Just because it isn't against the law doesn't mean that it isn't wrong ... it just means the Law hasn't been made or agreed to yet. There is already agreement from most of the world, and it is only a few countries that insist on carrying on culling whales.
 
Just clicked on this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7elQYX-BBc&feature=channel

About whaling from the whalers point of view .... they start of saying that they're only killing the whales for scientific research and that they must (legally) use all the by-products ... then - instead of showing the results or benefits of the research they carry on about what it is right/wrong to eat ...
Meanwhile - the Whale has a harpoon in it's body, is dieing horribly and the Japanese compare that to the slaughtering of a cow in a abatoir (as quick and painless as possible) ...

I accept that the human race are omnivores and quite happily eat meat - but it doesn't mean we have any right to inflict pain & suffering on the victims of our diet. Research or not - IMHO the Japaense method of whaling is just wrong.
 
fireball said:
So - because Japan doesn't agree with saving the whales, it is perfectly ok to allow them to continue killing them off ...

Whilst the ecoterrorists actions are on the strong side (they could just wander around streets with placards, but that ain't gonna work is it!) it doesn't give the Japanese boats the right to ram them. The problem with this game of Cat & Mouse is that they will eventually have to go the next step when the current tactics do not work.

As for the ecoterrorists actions endagering the lives of the whalers ... well, only to a point - the whalers have a choice - they don't have to be there, they are peferctly at liberty to go home or away from the area.
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Maybe you need to read the Greenpeace view...they are happy that what Greenpeace is doing in lobbying is turning the tide, only to have Sea Shepard get sympathy (only have to read this thread) for the whalers.
 
fireball said:
Hmm - overtaking - probably not, but yes - the overtaking vessel

Turned into the Japanese vessel? 6 of 1, 1/2 dozen of the other - from the screen grab it is pretty clear both vessels turned into each other.

Now - blame point of view - the collision occurred because the SI was manoeuvring to get close enough to throw missiles at the Japanese vessel. Neither vessel made any attempt to widen that gap.
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Two vessels on collision course, vessel to starboard is stand-on vessel. SI failed to change course, Japanese vessel took avoiding action but could not avoid collision. COLREG view.
 
fireball said:
Just clicked on this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7elQYX-BBc&feature=channel

About whaling from the whalers point of view .... they start of saying that they're only killing the whales for scientific research and that they must (legally) use all the by-products ... then - instead of showing the results or benefits of the research they carry on about what it is right/wrong to eat ...
Meanwhile - the Whale has a harpoon in it's body, is dieing horribly and the Japanese compare that to the slaughtering of a cow in a abatoir (as quick and painless as possible) ...

I accept that the human race are omnivores and quite happily eat meat - but it doesn't mean we have any right to inflict pain & suffering on the victims of our diet. Research or not - IMHO the Japaense method of whaling is just wrong.
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Its not just wrong, it's barbaric.

I saw a TV prog only last week and apparently the Japs have thousands of tons of whale meat in frozen storage which they cannot shift as no one wants it anymore. Especially the young Japs. Maybe education is working and before long there will be no point in Whaling as there will be no market. Lets hope & prey it comes about.
 
Whoever passed this law for killing whales for greed should hang there heads in SHAME.Reserch my arse. Leave the bloody wildlife alone.:(
 
In a collision - BOTH vessels underway are to blame.

Seeing some of the youtube stuff I can assume the SI was deliberately trying to get close - but from the clip it looks like the Japanese boat cut across their bows - why they would do that I don't know, but I don't think you can treat this like a normal colregs case - it is nonsense - you've got one party being aggresive and the other one retaliating - in differing lights, both parties are acting reasonably and whilst the Law may favour oneside over the other, it doesn't make it right ... Does it?!
 
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