Jam cleat on a Cobra 850 for the furler line

Nothing to do with consequences - they are the same - it is to do with the likelihood of your cleating system failing and that is no different with a clutch or a cam cleat if they are appropriately sized and in good condition. The benefit of a clutch - the ability to easily adjust tension is really not needed on jib furling lines. You just adjust the amount of sail in use (or furl it in) and securely cleat off the line. Simples.
 
Tranona said:
Nothing to do with consequences - they are the same - it is to do with the likelihood of your cleating system failing and that is no different with a clutch or a cam cleat if they are appropriately sized and in good condition. The benefit of a clutch - the ability to easily adjust tension is really not needed on jib furling lines. You just adjust the amount of sail in use (or furl it in) and securely cleat off the line. Simples.
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I still maintain the clutch is more secure. It's not failure but inadvertent release, the reason for our clutch.
 
Chiara’s slave said:
I still maintain the clutch is more secure. It's not failure but inadvertent release, the reason for our clutch.
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You are right about the clutch.
Actually mine sits on a spare winch when the sail is fully furled. I never sail with a part furled sail, but If I did it would still be better left in one of my self tailing winches in the cockpit.
I do not tie my jib when I leave the boat when I leave it, because it is in a marina where they look after boats very well. I know that a member of staff would sort it in my absence. I often see them adjusting mooring lines on their travels round the marina.
 
Daydream believer said:
Actually mine sits on a spare winch when the sail is fully furled. I never sail with a part furled sail, but If I did it would still be better left in one of my self tailing winches in the cockpit.
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That might work for us if we had a spare winch. 2 jib sheet/halyard winches on the coachroof and 2 spi sheet/ folding mechanism winches on the coaming. The jib furler is recessed below deck, the reefing line runs in a tube along the saloon shelf, and out via the hand locker in the cockpit, the clutch is in there. The line exits the coaming with a turning block to line up with the coaming winch for reefing if needed. But it has other jobs so can’t be left there. You ‘could’ ditch the clutch and put a cleat on the coaming. But passing crews might easily kick it and free it off. I’ll concede willingly that multis are way more dangerous than monos if that is allowed to happen. So we make it as impossible as we can.
 
Daydream believer said:
You are right about the clutch.
Actually mine sits on a spare winch when the sail is fully furled. I never sail with a part furled sail, but If I did it would still be better left in one of my self tailing winches in the cockpit.
I do not tie my jib when I leave the boat when I leave it, because it is in a marina where they look after boats very well. I know that a member of staff would sort it in my absence. I often see them adjusting mooring lines on their travels round the marina.
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You are very lucky - as many Marina's will not touch gear on a boat unless its a danger to other boats / marina / person. Its a matter of then being responsible ..... I know this as fact having had 'discussions' about consequences to my boat after an event. I checked with other Marinas management and received replies that confirmed my Marina's stance.

When foresail is furled - I never like seeing the clew still unfurled and liable to flap in the wind .... I always roll at least a turn and half of sheets round the sail - then make sure furling line and sheets are then reasonably taut to prevent wind damage.
 
Tranona said:
The benefit of a clutch - the ability to easily adjust tension is really not needed on jib furling lines. You just adjust the amount of sail in use (or furl it in) and securely cleat off the line.
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Sorry for the dumb question, and for taking the thread off-topic, but how are clutches easier to adjust, please?

This article lists an advantage of clutches that "a fully loaded line can be quickly released without the need for a winch" and now I'm even more confused because not only am I pretty sure my clutches (with the flip over lever) can't be released without a winch, if they're under a decent load, but I'm sure I remember being taught on the club boat always to use a winch before unloading a clutch. Admittedly, my clutches are pretty old and worn.
 
Refueler said:
I've read all replies and I am glad I just use a common cleat to fig 8 my furling line on. No 'teeth' to wear out ... no cam to knock and accidentaly lift .... it even provides the little bit of friction to keep furls reasonably tight.
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Gotta admit that they work & work well. However, with the introduction of self tailing winches their presence in the cockpit seems less popular these days. I suspect that one has to look to the mooring cleats, or mast, to find one on many a modern AWB
 
Chiara’s slave said:
Maybe this is a multihull paranoia thing, but is a rope clutch really OTT for a mission critical control? I absolutely would not trust ours to anything less. My goto advice would be to replave it with a clutch. Whilst primarily it’s security of the reffed sail in a breeze, it's also insurance that your sail isnt going to unfurl itself and get shredded on your mooring.
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I always cleat off the Genoa line when the boat is moored, as I would never trust a jam or clutch of any type.
 
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