Jaguar 22 - any good?

[TimBob1989]

Now then folks,

During our past couple of charters on the East Coast, a mate and I have discussed the possibilites of buying a small, trailerable yacht that we can keep (for free) on land, and take to wherever we like for some coastal sailing.

A Jaguar 22 has appeared on ebay for £3500 inviting offers. Looks a bit scruffy but seems to have the necessary - two sets sails, engine, electronics, trailer. Could scrub up nicely. The question is, should we be considering a Jag 22? She's swing keel so suits our purposes nicely.

Anyone owned / know about these boats? Good points, bad points etc? My main concern is keel bolts and seals etc. I don't expect to be offering full price, but is the class worth considering? (Don't worry, I won't hold you responsible if it turns out to be an absolute nail!)

Cheers,

Robin

 

[flipper]

I was considering a Jag 22 as a starter boat, nearly bought one too but was out bid by a 'mate' Just as well as I ended up with Kat B although she is a completely different proposition...

Loads of info and boats for sale on the Jag owners site:

http://www.jaguaryachts.co.uk/index.html

Cheers
Patrick

 

[TimBob1989]

Thanks for the info Patrick, have had a look at that site, a few useful tips there.

Robin

 

[Colvic Watson]

Can't offer specific help but they made lots of them, which means lots of people heard so much good about them that they bought one new for a heck of a lot of money; very few bad designs sold by the bucketful and very few excellent designs sold by the thimbleful.

 

[Independence]

I had a Jaguar 25 which I took to the Azores with the Jesters. I thought the 25 was a good boat but I'm not so sure about the 21s and 22s. If you look on the Jaguar Owners website it seems to be full of people with lifting keel problems and in particular leaky boxes. In fairness I've not looked there for a while so my comments may be misplaced. It's a good place to start researching though.

Before I bought my current boat I spoke to a couple of boat builders to see if they had worked on any and if so what they had to repair. If you get to speak with good ones there'll often tell it to you as it is.

 

[surekandoo]

Swing keels are not so easy to launch as lift keels. I had a Limbo 6.6 for a number of years with a purpose-built trailer.

Launching meant raising mast and immersing trailer completely, which caused continual problems with hub bearings & brakes. Boat went in once and out once each season.

Winter storage (free) on friend's farm was a huge advantage.

I would advise you look for a genuine lift keel boat with a mast tabernacle and break-back trailer if you plan multiple launches/recoveries each season. Etap 22i is a good example.

 

[millbeach]

I had a jag

I had a Jaguar 22 lift keel for 3 seasons.
Was my starter boat,
Easy to sail,solid build,lift keel well handy on east coast (Maldon).
Only drawback sailed like a Transit van.
Did not point well into the wind.
Bought for £3,500. sold after 3 seasons for same money.
Overall good solid day sailer and good starter boat.

 

[TimBob1989]

Independence - brief googling does show up issues with the keel and surrounds, thanks for the tip. It sounds like a case of giving it a thorough inspection and trying to view them afloat to check in person for leaks!

Surekandoo - those Etaps are lovely, but somewhat out of the budget. (There's a reason we're looking at the Jags etc!) I'm anticipating having a fair bit of work to do for the right boat.

After I've graduated in the summer I'll have a few months to do some boat hunting and get any work done when we find something... Just thinking ahead at the moment!

 

[Athene V30]

If you are in the area have a look at Andy Seedhouse's yard in Woodbridge. It is right by the train station and he often has boats in need of tlc at a good price.

My last boat was from there. Butwith any boat purchase make sure you have a survey to pick up any structural issues - something the surveyor missed on that boat!

Looking the other week there was a tidy Coromandel junk rigged bilge keeler
for £3500. http://www.andyseedhouseboats.co.uk/sales/boatlist2008.php?cat=1

 

[cid]

jag

Hi I had one as my first boat.We had great fun with it. The keel is a problem. The bolts holding it into the hull have the heads embedded into the fiber glass,4 in all not great.I refitted them through the hull with a backing plate.I know of a friend who had a keel break off in bad weather. Not nice,but the boat did not turn over.

Regards Cid

 

[TimBob1989]

I'm pretty keen on Corribees. I understand that they've got very good passage-making ability for small yachts, and I've got a bit of an itch to do a round Britain or something daft like that before I grow up ;-)

Seems that the draft isn't that much more than a raised lift keel so should be ok to launch and stuff too. (And the keel shouldn't fall off!) The one at Andyseedhouse looks like a good buy - I'm intrigued by the junk rig - anyone sailed with one?

 

[Athene V30]

I'm intrigued by the junk rig - anyone sailed with one?

Not sailed one but Roger Taylor has done some pretty spectaular trips in a junk rigged corribee.

Have a look at his books & website http://www.thesimplesailor.com/index.html

 

[surekandoo]

Re: Corribee - check Nathan Whitworth's site - http://onkudu.com/

 

[TimBob1989]

Drying Out

One of the places we would like to sail is the North Norfolk coast - Brancaster and Blakeney etc...This would almost certainly involved drying out at low tide - and a lot of lift keelers still have a significant protrusion with keel up.

My concerns are not only that the boat wouldn't sit upright, but also that this puts a lot of strain on the keel fastenings etc... So is bilge keel a better bet, sacrificing easy launching for the ability to dry out properly?

Not massively concerned about the towing weight because the other would-be owner runs a haulage firm so should be able to get hold of a fairly chunky towing vehicle!

Or am I being daft?

 

[sailorman]

She has just been Re listed didnt reach the reserve last week

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170615379990&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:VRI

 

[TimBob1989]

East Coast Boat Yards

We've chartered a little yacht for a few days at the beginning of May, so I think we'll see if we can pop into a few yards while we're around and see if we can have a look round some suitable boats. Will hopefully be going to Andy Seedhouse on the Deben, looks to be a couple of good ones there. Any other suggestions of boatyards? We'll be sailing from the Orwell but hope to head south for the Blackwater and Crouch etc.

 

[Laurie]

Cracking boat that sails very well. Tough too.
Now the keel..... In itself, not a problem, but many will have been abused for 40 years now, & they were a simple but crude design. If not done, check the integrity of the box, & the keel pivot will need replacing if it hasn't been done. I can supply details of doing this if required: email www.laurie@lmilton.co.uk

 

[Sniper]

Hello Mr Milton - from another sailing Para not unadjacent to Ipswich/Stowmarket How's the bike?

 

[Laurie]

Hello Mr Milton - from another sailing Para not unadjacent to Ipswich/Stowmarket How's the bike?

All good, how about you.....?

 

[Habebty]

If you are in the area have a look at Andy Seedhouse's yard in Woodbridge. It is right by the train station and he often has boats in need of tlc at a good price.

My last boat was from there. Butwith any boat purchase make sure you have a survey to pick up any structural issues - something the surveyor missed on that boat!

Looking the other week there was a tidy Coromandel junk rigged bilge keeler
for £3500. http://www.andyseedhouseboats.co.uk/sales/boatlist2008.php?cat=1

Friend of mine has a Jag 22 for sale at this very yard.