Jack Haines and the Montecarlos other elephant in the room.

Being Italian means that you will think anything styled north of Turin to be Limone
Waddumean, that I'm biased? Naaah.
Frinstance, I just looove some Zagato designs.
And they are based in Milan, that happens to be north of Turin... :D :cool:

But jokes aside, name me one single Porker (or anything else from another German builder, for that matter) that is more stunningly beautiful than a DB4 Zagato, if you can.
And I mean, not just back in the days, but also now, half a century later.
 
Could I run a 997 on my car allowance of £6k per annum (before tax)?
Yes just about if you don't do a big mileage and you don't get unlucky with a major fault. The 997 only needs servicing every 2yrs and a service should cost £4-500 at an independent. You should get about 25mpg out of a Carrera 2 and insurance should be less than £1k pa if you're a middle aged fart. Even depreciation shouldn't be too excessive if you buy well. The big risk is that you experience a major failure but you can mitigate against that by buying a car with a good warranty and then paying to extend it every year. Life is short, go for it:D
 
A
Waddumean, that I'm biased? Naaah.
Frinstance, I just looove some Zagato designs.
And they are based in Milan, that happens to be north of Turin... :D :cool:

But jokes aside, name me one single Porker (or anything else from another German builder, for that matter) that is more stunningly beautiful than a DB4 Zagato, if you can.
And I mean, not just back in the days, but also now, half a century later.
Can't disagree, although I prefer modern designs, but the current Porker has presence, and does it for me :)
 
No they're not - even a Ford Fiesta comes with buttons on the steering wheel these days (where your hands actually are!) On that Porsche you have to take your hand off the wheel and your eyes off the road whilst you prod about with random buttons scattered about the dash or centre console. It's the automotive equivalent of having to get up and change the channels or volume on your TV when everyone else just uses a remote!

Sorry, I should have been clearer. From 2009 the sat nav system is touch screen, so I was comparing that specific element to the touch screen plotters located beyond convenient arms length. Multi-function steering wheels are of course an option with gear change on the wheel. Both come in at considerably less than the £13,000 helm seat option with Atari joystick glued on. :)

Henry
 
You have to tip your hat to Henry......he starts a thread about a boat report, and it evolves into a thread about 911's and nice cars in general! (which I believe he has an intrest in!).....Genius
911 virgin could be busy next week......I want one!!

:)

With 7 cars going out to their new owners today alone we'd be keener to hear from those current owners looking to sell their pride & joy! :)

Boats and cars are closely related passions amongst many of us. For what it's worth the Lamborghini Miura doesn't really do it for me, neither does the E Type, another icon often brought up when discussing good lookers. The Porsche 718 has wonderful lines and styling cues can be found in later cars.

porsche-718-05.jpg



Henry :)
 
Yes just about if you don't do a big mileage and you don't get unlucky with a major fault. The 997 only needs servicing every 2yrs and a service should cost £4-500 at an independent. You should get about 25mpg out of a Carrera 2 and insurance should be less than £1k pa if you're a middle aged fart. Even depreciation shouldn't be too excessive if you buy well. The big risk is that you experience a major failure but you can mitigate against that by buying a car with a good warranty and then paying to extend it every year. Life is short, go for it:D

You need to budget more than £4-500 every couple of years to keep a 997 on the road. I would suggest a couple of thousand pounds a year by the time you've covered tyres, brakes, servicing, additional items etc. As has been mentioned depreciation may not be as heavy as a more conventional car and that's often the biggest cost of ownership.

Henry :)
 
You need to budget more than £4-500 every couple of years to keep a 997 on the road. I would suggest a couple of thousand pounds a year by the time you've covered tyres, brakes, servicing, additional items etc. As has been mentioned depreciation may not be as heavy as a more conventional car and that's often the biggest cost of ownership.
Henry I appreciate that you have a great deal more experience than me on 911s but I did say it depends on mileage and luck. I've had 2 x 996s and 3 x 997s over about 12yrs , all bought used, but they've all been weekend cars and I probably don't do more than 5 - 7k miles pa with the occasional track day. Hand on heart, the worst problems I've had to pay for myself have been replacing a battery and changing a couple of suspension links. The only time I've had to invoke a warranty was to deal with a failed spoiler raising mechanism on my last 997TT. The last service for that car was done by JZM and it cost less than £400. I avoid being ripped off by OPCs for servicing at all costs since a bad experience at Hatfield when they tried to shaft me (a not unusual experience I'm told). I tend to sell on after 2yrs or so and if I'm lucky, I can avoid buying any new tyres and I've never had to buy any brakes. As for depreciation, I sold my last 997T Gen1 back to the supplying dealer, Cridfords, for about £9k less than I had paid for it 2 1/2yrs previously so I thought that was pretty good

Yes obviously if you use a secondhand 911 as daily driver doing 10-15k miles pa, the financials change completely because then you could be into some big ticket items like brakes and if you lunch an engine, I guess that costs the thick end of £15k these days

PS I have been into your emporium on a few occasions and been looked after well. For one reason or another, I haven't actually bought a car from you but maybe next time:D
 
My annual mileage is around 9k per annum so not that great. My biggest problem is SWMBO - in her infinite wisdom, any car that is older than the one being replaced is an old banger and only fit for the breakers. Current car is now 4 years old and due to be replaced October. So you'll have to work on her Mike.

Incidentally, Henry, I have a mate looking for an early Gen2 997 Cabriolet. Must be an 'S'. Auto or Manual. He keeps looking on your website but can never seem to find anything suitable. Let me know if you get one in!
 
Last edited:
Congrats on the delivery of 7 cars in a day, is by chance leaving the house also that nice Guards Red 930 visible in your 2nd pic above?

Back to the thread point - which is by now cars rather boat design, I reckon... :cool:
the Lamborghini Miura doesn't really do it for me, neither does the E Type
...are you for real? You won't tell us next that the Quattroporte isn't such a better looking car than the Panamera after all, or will you? :D :p

I must concede that the 718 was indeed a thing of beauty, though.
The Germans must have had a momentary lapse of reason, back in those days - possibly the last one (together with the 300SL), I hasten to add... :rolleyes:

Btw, the image in your link (http://best-carz.com/data_images/gallery/models/porsche-718/porsche-718-05.jpg) isn't visible here in the forum. It must have to see with the original website not allowing embedded links, I suppose.
I had to check that, because for a moment I was fearing that you were referring to the new baby Boxster, which is just another nostalgia marketing product that has nothing to see with proper car design. Phew!
Chapeau for picking one example well worth mentioning in car design history, instead. :encouragement:
 
I have a mate looking for an early Gen2 997 Cabriolet. Must be an 'S'. Auto or Manual.
LOL, is that a technique for not letting swmbo know that this is the car you are after, just in case she would look around here? :D

Anyway, if I may throw in my 2c (but I'm sure others around here are more qualified than myself to give you a suggestion), at the moment if I were looking for a weekend Porker capable of giving tons of fun without having to sell a kidney, a 996 turbo would be my choice.
If you can live with a car that has a couple of fried eggs at the front, which is probably the ugliest - and this time in absolute, rather than relative terms - bit of design in Porsche history, that's a great thing to drive indeed.
And while driving it, you don't notice the headlights anyway! :D :D
 
The 996 Turbo is indeed an interesting choice. Slightly retro, generous performance and once you learn to drive it something you can grab hold of and give a good shake every now and again. Values are firming up. We had had one on the fleet for some years now.

I wouldn't dismiss the non 'S' 997 (...."must be an 'S'....). The knowledgeable actually rate the standard 997 rather highly. Certainly not the poor relation.

Henry :)
 
Can't read henryf mind of course, but I believe that what he meant is that the non-S is good enough, and the difference is nothing worth writing home about.
Which is pretty much what I heard of the 997 also from some folks around here (never tried a 997 myself).
But as I said (and as I understood henryf, who surely knows much better, confirmed that), for anyone who think along the lines of faster=better, it's well worth accepting the shabby look of the 996 and go for the turbo instead. Now, THAT makes a difference. Having tried both that and a C4S, I can only describe the difference as day and night.
And it's still civilized, sort of. For a really brutal experience, try the RWD GT2.
But one in good conditions is probably back in "kidney-selling" territory...
 
Never understood the 911 thing. For a weekend toy I'd go Italian (or Atom :D) For a fast everyday car, AMG or Audi RS.
Anyway, back to the boat. I don't dislike the styling and the foredeck is great but if the interior quality is anything like the MC4 that I saw in Genoa, then after a couple of seasons it could end up looking shabby. Some of it was a bit flimsy.
I don't have the money to buy one though and don't have a fast car. Last quick(ish) car I had was an SL60 AMG but it was impractical and pointless on UK roads, so I sold it. Bah,,I'm getting old!
 
Last quick(ish) car I had was an SL60 AMG
Do you mean an R129? I would call that properly fast, rather than just quickish!
And also very elegant btw, in spite of what I previously said of German design...
...Then again, it's no coincidence that the head of styling at Daimler was an Italian, back in those days. :D
Btw, you might have kept it just as an investment, it's a car whose value is bound to increase, imho.
 
Last edited:
But as I said (and as I understood henryf, who surely knows much better, confirmed that), for anyone who think along the lines of faster=better, it's well worth accepting the shabby look of the 996 and go for the turbo instead. Now, THAT makes a difference. Having tried both that and a C4S, I can only describe the difference as day and night.
All I know is that once you've tried any kind of 911 Turbo its impossible to go back to a naturally aspirated one;);)
 
The non S 997 feels a lighter more nimble car to drive than the S and that's why I wouldn't dismiss non S cars. There is nothing wrong with a 997 S, far from it.

Turbo cars will always feel quick because the power gets delivered in a relatively short rev range. Not much then bang. Normally aspirated cars bring the power in gradually across the rev range.

Henry :)
 
Top