Jack Haines and the Montecarlos other elephant in the room.

[petem]

What about the pop up and give you a black eye Quick deck lights?

In all fairness, and round window ignored, we are something like 6-1 in favour of the MC6's Smeg Fridge E1 6JE looks on this thread I think

Make that 7-1. Grey hull instead of green and it would be a good looking boat.

 

[henryf]

What about the pop up and give you a black eye Quick deck lights?

In all fairness, and round window ignored, we are something like 6-1 in favour of the MC6's Smeg Fridge E1 6JE looks on this thread I think

If the missus fancies a swanky looking fridge then, providing it's her birthday, Christmas, or preferably both she can have one. When the mood changes ebay is your friend. Give or take you're going to be a grand out of pocket. An MC 6 is a million quid all bar the shouting, quite a chunk to throw at a fashion statement.

At 6-1 against me I shall expect to see a deluge of the things around the Solent in the near future......

Henry

 

[Nigelpickin]

Saw plenty being launch in les sables last year, (of the 4 and 5 variety), all with vanilla hulls at it goes. I much prefer the the plain hull and suspect that it will age far less dramatically than the more vibrant pantones.
Time will tell, I would be surprised if we do not see the brand evolve, facelift and develop over a long period. It's got an awful lot going for it and given the choice of a P60 period or and MC6 plus an Aston and a decent chunk of property, I know which way I would go. But then that's why I bought a prestige....

 

[jfm]

If the missus fancies a swanky looking fridge then, providing it's her birthday, Christmas, or preferably both she can have one. When the mood changes ebay is your friend. Give or take you're going to be a grand out of pocket. An MC 6 is a million quid all bar the shouting, quite a chunk to throw at a fashion statement.

At 6-1 against me I shall expect to see a deluge of the things around the Solent in the near future......

Henry

Hmmm. Good points well made! I don't think any of the 6 is going to buy one. Don't expect any putting money where mouth is around here. I'm sticking with my Zanussi.

 

[MapisM]

And I'm more of a Campari man myself...

Which is why you like the Montecarlo range.

Oi, say what you wish on the MC, but don't mix the profane with the sacred.
You don't drink Sipsmith summer cup as an aperitif, do you? Now, THAT will soon become a cul-de-sac in liqueurs history. :ambivalence:
Campari has been around for 150+ years, you know...

 

[MapisM]

I see this as non negotiable. In general, the world loves touch devices, but it is fundamental that you have to be able to touch them. You wouldn't love your iPad if it were always the other side of the room

Interesting view. While I agree with you on the general principle, I think it's quite a stretch to apply it strictly to a boat dashboard, for several reasons.
As a premise, I assume that what you consider essential is the reachability while sitting in your helm chair. If I misunderstood this, and you actually meant that the devices must be convenient to reach one way or another, regardless of whether you are sitting or standing, of course I'm not arguing with that.

But these are the reasons why imho it's not so critical to have all the MFDs within your arms length while sitting:
1) first and foremost, in any top equipped dash configuration, that's physically impossible. I mean, if you have four (if not more!) 20" or so screens, a single position from which you can reach them all simply doesn't exist. And I'm not talking of ships - I've seen something like that on 80 footers.
2) with big enough screens, you actually have a better visibility by placing them as far as possible from the eyes. Even more so at night and in poor visibility, which is when the eyes must "jump" more often between the external (distant) view and the dashboard.
3) also considering more common installations (like a couple of screens up to 14" or so), I don't think it's fair to compare their typical use while cruising with the type of interaction required by iPads etc., because the nature of the beasts is different: just about anything you can do with a tablet demands a constant interaction, while you can cruise for hours without ever needing to interact with your MFDs. As long as they are configured to show what you really need, of course - and as long as you can resist the temptation to play with them just because you can...!

Bottom line, based on my view/experience, the only things that, in my ideal boat, I would like to be able to reach at all times in the most convenient way, without needing to move at all, are the wheel and the throttles. Ok, make it three, by including the a/p control. For all the rest, I wouldn't mind standing up.
And I'm thinking to a planing/fast(ish) boat, mind, because I guess that's what you had in mind with your comment..
With a D/slow boat, I'd be quite happy to live with a raised position helm chair, from which you can't reach anything at all without standing up (or at least leaning forward), not even the throttles and the wheel.
And indeed, I've seen several trawlers with such arrangement, though of course Kirk chairs are getting increasingly popular also in long range cruisers, these days.

 

[rafiki_]

With all th chat about Smegs, Pads and Pods, nobody has mentioned the IKEA interior. I'm afraid the count is now 2-7, and I'm afraid H and I are not wrong on this one.

 

[MapisM]

I forgot to mention in my previous post: make that 3-7, albeit for different reasons.
In fact, as I understand it, henry's elephant is the exterior appearance, so I'll stick to that - also because the Ikea interior is neither a peculiarity of this boat nor of this builder, nowadays.
And while I don't think that everyone would really laugh upon her arrival in a marina, I agree that the typical MC sharpish lines don't work well on this kind of boat. Not as well as in the rest of their range, anyway.
I mean, you can like the Smeg fridge style or not, but it's undeniable that it has its own consistency, according to the Gestalt principles of design.
That's something the MC6 is far from achieving, while the Magellano for instance (with both the 53 and the 66, just to stay around that size bracket) is much better on that score.

Then again, as always when talking of aesthetics, it's impossible to please everyone every time.
But I must say that I sympathize with Deleted User (or was it Clarkson's?) comment on squashed beetles...
...let's not forget that already back in the days when Butzi drew the lines of the first Neunelfer, there were things like the GTO and the Miura around.
And if I say that the ass engined thing was (and still is, after half a century!) fugly in comparison, well, I'm not saying I'm right, but I ain't wrong!

 

[Imperial One]

Any truth in the rumour that Elephant Boat Yard are soon to be the Southampton MC dealers?

 

[henryf]

And if I say that the ass engined thing was (and still is, after half a century!) fugly in comparison, well, I'm not saying I'm right, but I ain't wrong!

Ah, I appreciate English isn't your first language and you've got your words a little bit mixed up. Fugly is used to describe ugly things when of course I know you were trying to express how achingly good looking and well engineered the Porsche 911 is with touch controls easily to hand

Henry

 

[mcanderson]

Now you might be upsetting Sammy and Guy who just bought an MC5 and from our meetings I think they have great taste. Then again I also have just bought a squashed beetle and have a sail boat. I must be very confused.

 

[MapisM]

I know you were trying to express how achingly good looking and well engineered the Porsche 911 is with touch controls easily to hand

LOL, actually engineering and ergonomics are another kettle of fish - it's purely aesthetic that we were debating, as I understood.
And sorry, but honestly in this respect the Weissach guys spectacularly failed to impress me, with the 991.
That's hardly surprising, though: the last of their design developments which imho could be called an improvement vs. the previous ones was with the 993 (particularly the TT).
Regardless, actually I didn't say that the 911 design as such is ugly - I wouldn't have bought one, otherwise.
But everything on this planet is relative, which is what brought you to the conclusion that the MC6 is "bloody ugly": you wouldn't have said that without having in mind some more elegant boats, I reckon.
And along the same lines, I rest my case on the 911 being ugly in comparison with several other cars.
After all, if you would come back to planet earth today, after a 100 years interstellar trip, and you would see the car in your pics together with the following, which one would you say is the most modern and elegant, just by looking at them?

 

[benjenbav]

Lovely Miura.

I think this is my favourite British car.

I was at Silverstone recently when this car was running. Only two DP214 prototypes were built, for Le Mans in 1963 and there are three replicas based on the DB4 of which this is one.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

And sorry, but honestly in this respect the Weissach guys spectacularly failed to impress me, with the 991.
That's hardly surprising, though: the last of their design developments which imho could be called an improvement vs. the previous ones was with the 993 (particularly the TT).
Regardless, actually I didn't say that the 911 design as such is ugly - I wouldn't have bought one, otherwise.

Coincidentally, last night I and a mate of mine were comparing his 993 against my 997 and reflecting on the fact that Porsche probably don't have a design department. Every time they need a new model they send a trainee engineer to the photocopier with a drawing of the old model and tell him to come pack with a copy set at 105%

IMHO 911s are like the ugly bird at the disco. Its not what they look like that matters but how they go

 

[petem]

IMHO 911s are like the ugly bird at the disco. Its not what they look like that matters but how they go

Reminds me of a piece of advice I was given years ago "Go ugly early" ahem!

 

[adey]

IMHO 911s are like the ugly bird at the disco. Its not what they look like that matters but how they go

Backwards into trees usually..

 

[petem]

Excuse the thread drift, but whilst we're on the subject of 911's.....

Could I run a 997 on my car allowance of £6k per annum (before tax)? Assume I'd take out a second mortgage. Wouldn't want to go much older than a 2007. Would be happy with a Carrera (no need for 4WD or S).

 

[rafiki_]

LOL, actually engineering and ergonomics are another kettle of fish - it's purely aesthetic that we were debating, as I understood.
And sorry, but honestly in this respect the Weissach guys spectacularly failed to impress me, with the 991.
That's hardly surprising, though: the last of their design developments which imho could be called an improvement vs. the previous ones was with the 993 (particularly the TT).
Regardless, actually I didn't say that the 911 design as such is ugly - I wouldn't have bought one, otherwise.
But everything on this planet is relative, which is what brought you to the conclusion that the MC6 is "bloody ugly": you wouldn't have said that without having in mind some more elegant boats, I reckon.
And along the same lines, I rest my case on the 911 being ugly in comparison with several other cars.
After all, if you would come back to planet earth today, after a 100 years interstellar trip, and you would see the car in your pics together with the following, which one would you say is the most modern and elegant, just by looking at them?

Being Italian means that you will think anything styled north of Turin to be Limone, but the modern 911's are fine looking cars. Of course they are not as appealing as a Pininfarina styled V8 from Modena, but Farina has produced some Lemons too. How many really nice styles have Ital created? However, we are getting into the world of subjectivity, and I'm still at the "isn't she gorgeous......" stage when I look at my Azi.
For others on the forum, the last era that 911's had a penchant for disappearing into the hedge backwards was the early 80's. They are a triumph of development over concept, and a real pleasure to drive these days. For me, Porkers have always been cars that you can really enjoy driving, reliable, brakes work, fantastic steering, and a joy. Ferrari and Lambo have really got their acts together over the last 15 or so years. Best drivers car at the moment for me is the Macca. Pig ugly to look at, but great to push hard.
Well, that's sufficient Fred Rift for now.

 

[z1ppy]

I never really understood why people don't like the 911 shape. I think its a thing of beauty that has developed and a treat to drive.

Always fancied one for a weekend car but with boats and bikes i dont have anywhere to keep it undercover! not sure i would want one as a daily driver.

 

[ari]

Ah, I appreciate English isn't your first language and you've got your words a little bit mixed up. Fugly is used to describe ugly things when of course I know you were trying to express how achingly good looking and well engineered the Porsche 911 is with touch controls easily to hand

Henry

No they're not - even a Ford Fiesta comes with buttons on the steering wheel these days (where your hands actually are!) On that Porsche you have to take your hand off the wheel and your eyes off the road whilst you prod about with random buttons scattered about the dash or centre console. It's the automotive equivalent of having to get up and change the channels or volume on your TV when everyone else just uses a remote!