Its all Jim's fault ..

I must admit, Mrs jimi sidled up to me last time we met, and in a husky voice asked me to give her a tour of the heads and shower on Full Circle. She purred with delight on seeing our Dometic electric loo, and positively swooned when I showed her the magnificent operation. I then soothed her with tales of a 0.6 litre operation, and only a couple of seconds at 12v/20a, she was almost beside herself. The Tru Design through bulkhead diverter valve had her all a quiver.
The tour over, I thought I might show her the holding tank behind the heads and valve, but her features moved from dreamy thoughts of a loo operation that didn't involve anything more than the press of a button, to one of fearsome determination, and, like a woman possessed, went off to seek out her as yet unsuspecting spouse.
\being caught unawares like a French Admiral, he had to strike his colours, and demur to his most beloved's most sensible suggestion.
Thus you now see the result.
 
An excellent description of typical reaction to an electric loo, which I can vouch for having been subjected to the same emotional blackmail some years ago after we visited a bog stand at the Boat Show.
Some years on, I have to agree that (as usual) She Was Right.
 
FullCircle said:
I must admit, Mrs jimi sidled up to me last time we met, and in a husky voice asked me to give her a tour of the heads and shower on Full Circle. She purred with delight on seeing our Dometic electric loo, and positively swooned when I showed her the magnificent operation. I then soothed her with tales of a 0.6 litre operation, and only a couple of seconds at 12v/20a, she was almost beside herself. The Tru Design through bulkhead diverter valve had her all a quiver.
The tour over, I thought I might show her the holding tank behind the heads and valve, but her features moved from dreamy thoughts of a loo operation that didn't involve anything more than the press of a button, to one of fearsome determination, and, like a woman possessed, went off to seek out her as yet unsuspecting spouse.
\being caught unawares like a French Admiral, he had to strike his colours, and demur to his most beloved's most sensible suggestion.
Thus you now see the result.
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Brilliant ;-)
 
I am starting to feel like a latter-day Don Quichote: on a mad, one-man crusade to ban as much things electrical from the boat as humanly possible.
And what electrical necessities there are on the boat; such as instruments, lighting and fridge; have to be as energy efficient as possible.

Our previous boat came with an electric loo. Other half was delighted with it.
Then, one day, it broke/stopped working. And there was no way to pump out manually.
Needless to say, it got replaced stante pede when we got back home. And I made a solemn promise to myself that I would never, ever have one of these evil contraptions on board again.

Unlike our honourable engineer from Essex, my electrical/electronic/mechanical faultfinding and fixing skills are much more modest. If I can't fix ore place it at sea, I don't really want it on the boat. There are exceptions (like the fridge), but I would venture to guess that there aren't many boats out there that carry spare instruments (like a fixed GPS and even a spare electronic autopilot system).
 
OR4751 said:
I am starting to feel like a latter-day Don Quichote: on a mad, one-man crusade to ban as much things electrical from the boat as humanly possible.
And what electrical necessities there are on the boat; such as instruments, lighting and fridge; have to be as energy efficient as possible.

Our previous boat came with an electric loo. Other half was delighted with it.
Then, one day, it broke/stopped working. And there was no way to pump out manually.
Needless to say, it got replaced stante pede when we got back home. And I made a solemn promise to myself that I would never, ever have one of these evil contraptions on board again.

Unlike our honourable engineer from Essex, my electrical/electronic/mechanical faultfinding and fixing skills are much more modest. If I can't fix ore place it at sea, I don't really want it on the boat. There are exceptions (like the fridge), but I would venture to guess that there aren't many boats out there that carry spare instruments (like a fixed GPS and even a spare electronic autopilot system).
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I'm with you. The day I (and SWMBO) can't waggle the Lavac pump, we'll give it all up. My neighbour had an electric loo on his Mobo. Infernal thing. I repaired it three times for him and it still ate fuses.
 
OR4751 said:
I am starting to feel like a latter-day Don Quichote: on a mad, one-man crusade to ban as much things electrical from the boat as humanly possible.
And what electrical necessities there are on the boat; such as instruments, lighting and fridge; have to be as energy efficient as possible.

Our previous boat came with an electric loo. Other half was delighted with it.
Then, one day, it broke/stopped working. And there was no way to pump out manually.
Needless to say, it got replaced stante pede when we got back home. And I made a solemn promise to myself that I would never, ever have one of these evil contraptions on board again.

Unlike our honourable engineer from Essex, my electrical/electronic/mechanical faultfinding and fixing skills are much more modest. If I can't fix ore place it at sea, I don't really want it on the boat. There are exceptions (like the fridge), but I would venture to guess that there aren't many boats out there that carry spare instruments (like a fixed GPS and even a spare electronic autopilot system).
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Its OK, I've got a spare heads ;-) and that will be remaining manual! FWIW I've fought tooth and nail against this , serviced , added acid, oiled, greased but still was told that something better was required .. so the bullet was bitten! Electric winches have been totally resisted although an electric windlass has its attractions but an emergency forestay is higher up the shopping list!
 
As you may be aware, it has been said before that Full Circle resembles a Russian Trawler.
The electric poo pummeller is a major hit with the co-owner, and is the latest device available with a much improved mean time between failures to the Jabsco early offerings that OR4751 refers to. I know, I have one in my shed which I did not install.
I do carry spare parts such as 3 spare fixed GPS, replacement parts for the autopilot ram, the brain board in the course computer, 12v soldering iron and many pieces of test equipment. I have 4 independent means of getting 12v into batteries, not to mention the monitors for same. Not to mention a split domestic bank of batteries as well as a start battery.Also a spare 0183 depth transducer and virtual instruments on my tablet for depth.
I am unapologetic in my use of electrics, but my boat still functions without same. I have 3 buckets.

2 things that assisted my decision. Evan Starzinger who has lived aboard many years runs a Raymarine 12v Linear autopilot and no windvane. Many liveaboards are now running electric loos, as it quadruples the holding tank effective size.

I have noted over the years many people sauntering up to my factory ship knowing fine well that I will have the nut, bolt, widget fixer, shackle, block, tools or whatever to assist them to fix their own boat. A service I willingly give and enjoy.

May we all live peacefully alongside one another.....
 
jimi said:
Its OK, I've got a spare heads ;-) and that will be remaining manual! FWIW I've fought tooth and nail against this , serviced , added acid, oiled, greased but still was told that something better was required .. so the bullet was bitten! Electric winches have been totally resisted although an electric windlass has its attractions but an emergency forestay is higher up the shopping list!
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You can see my emergency forestay installation if you like, but better on another thread...
 
A pox on both your houses.

I read Jims little homily to First mate as I thought it was quite funny.

Response; oh that sounds like a good idea, so I'm now in for unexpected expenditure.

Good grief, it's almost 100 pints of Guinness, not to mention another opportunity to blow my electrical system up.
 
Vara said:
A pox on both your houses.

I read Jims little homily to First mate as I thought it was quite funny.

Response; oh that sounds like a good idea, so I'm now in for unexpected expenditure.

Good grief, it's almost 100 pints of Guinness, not to mention another opportunity to blow my electrical system up.
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Au contraire mon ami, it's about 350 pints of Guinness plus considerable non-beverage consumption hours if you fit a holding tank, diverter valve, macerator, 30 amp circuit blah blah.
 
FullCircle said:
I do carry spare parts such as 3 spare fixed GPS, replacement parts for the autopilot ram, the brain board in the course computer, 12v soldering iron and many pieces of test equipment. I have 4 independent means of getting 12v into batteries, not to mention the monitors for same. Not to mention a split domestic bank of batteries as well as a start battery.Also a spare 0183 depth transducer and virtual instruments on my tablet for depth.
I am unapologetic in my use of electrics, but my boat still functions without same. I have 3 buckets.
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Wot? No caulking cotton and putty. Not much use to me. There is almost nothing that a bit of cotton and putty won't solve. I do though find it necessary to carry spare Volvo Gearbox 'O' rings for neighbouring gliberfast boats!
 
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