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Whilst generally buggering about in the engine bay changing fuel filters, priming etc I thought I’d hunt down the source of what is obviously a fine water spray at the front of the engine. Turns out there is a drip coming from the back of the water pump which is catching one of the pulleys. Any known possible causes of such a leak? TAMD41P. The impeller cover and hoses are dry.
 
Water pump seal is leaking from inside.
Removing the pump is easy - then give it to someone that can overhaul it with a seal kit,

Secure the inlet hose somehow if the boat is still in the water or close the seacock if there is one.
 
Water pump seal is leaking from inside.
Removing the pump is easy - then give it to someone that can overhaul it with a seal kit,

Secure the inlet hose somehow if the boat is still in the water or close the seacock if there is one.
Thanks for that. Looking at the cost of a seal and bearing kit I’m considering fitting a new pump. Is Repower Marine stuff decent quality?
 
Just go to a bearing suppliers and they will have the seals and bearings . All the dimensions of the seals and bearing will be on the front of the seals and the bearings . It’s just am matter of giving those numbers to
The supplier so they can order. It’s normally About £20-30
 
Prophet of doom here...

Just a word of warning if you leave it too long. The water spraying onto the pulleys will cause the bare surfaces of the pulley to rust. The rust will abrade the belt, the belt will break.

Having said that, it takes a while...from experience.
 
Just go to a bearing suppliers and they will have the seals and bearings . All the dimensions of the seals and bearing will be on the front of the seals and the bearings . It’s just am matter of giving those numbers to
The supplier so they can order. It’s normally About £20-30
It's a simple an inexpensive diy job if one is so inclined.

It’s my intention to rebuild the old pump at my leisure, to be honest I have little faith in local mechanics having seen some pretty slapdash work in the past. I would also like to have a non leaky pump in the next week or so which is unlikely to happen here.
Prophet of doom here...

Just a word of warning if you leave it too long. The water spraying onto the pulleys will cause the bare surfaces of the pulley to rust. The rust will abrade the belt, the belt will break.

Having said that, it takes a while...from experience.
I’m going to be checking the pulleys, although the water is being thrown away from the engine which is rusting the port side front engine mount. I did notice some rust on that mount when I bought the boat so this has probably been going on a while, just getting worse. Another reason to sort the problem asa.
 
New pump fitted yesterday, surprisingly no leaks and a noticeable increase in water flow from the exhaust.
Once the bruises have faded I’ll be quite pleased with the result. Surely it must be possible to design an engine compartment where access is possible without physical damage to the spanner wielder ?
 
New pump fitted yesterday, surprisingly no leaks and a noticeable increase in water flow from the exhaust.
Once the bruises have faded I’ll be quite pleased with the result. Surely it must be possible to design an engine compartment where access is possible without physical damage to the spanner wielder ?

You're joking right? I have to strip mine down to the block if I want to do anything other than to the front of the engine. Tightening a jubilee clip at the back? It's a days job. So I have the experience of two types of marine engineer in my distant past. One that looks, sucks through his teeth and says he will get back to me only for me to find he has black listed my number on his mobile. The other's eyes lights up and you can see him quiver in excitement at the prospect of buying his next supercar. :cautious:
 
It’s my intention to rebuild the old pump at my leisure, to be honest I have little faith in local mechanics having seen some pretty slapdash work in the past.
Agree, I did mine last year. As others havd said, bearings and seals can be bought from bearing shops quite cheaply but the water seal must have a stainless garter spring and if there is even the slightest wear on the shaft where the seal lips contacts the new seal will not last long. I bought the complete Pump overhaul kit containing bearings, seals and shaft (Orbitrade part number 22136-2) available from ASAP for £82. Talk to me before you do it though as there are a few things that are not obvious and can result in trouble.

I have made an access hatch just below the top step to make impeller changing much easier.

www.solocoastalsailing.co.uk
 
You're joking right? I have to strip mine down to the block if I want to do anything other than to the front of the engine. Tightening a jubilee clip at the back? It's a days job. So I have the experience of two types of marine engineer in my distant past. One that looks, sucks through his teeth and says he will get back to me only for me to find he has black listed my number on his mobile. The other's eyes lights up and you can see him quiver in excitement at the prospect of buying his next supercar. :cautious:
Remind me again how much ‘better’ stern drives are than shafts.....<runs, ducking and weaving>
 
Agree, I did mine last year. As others havd said, bearings and seals can be bought from bearing shops quite cheaply but the water seal must have a stainless garter spring and if there is even the slightest wear on the shaft where the seal lips contacts the new seal will not last long. I bought the complete Pump overhaul kit containing bearings, seals and shaft (Orbitrade part number 22136-2) available from ASAP for £82. Talk to me before you do it though as there are a few things that are not obvious and can result in trouble.

I have made an access hatch just below the top step to make impeller changing much easier.

www.solocoastalsailing.co.uk
Cheers for that (y) At one point I considered taking the batteries out to access the pump but decided it would be an equally gynecological manoeuvre, plus hefting two 170ah batteries to boot. The battery switches are where your access hatch is, I assume you moved them? Overall an easy job, other than separating the pump from the bottom hose and then lining up the drive for the pump blind.
 
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Cheers for that (y) At one point I considered taking the batteries out to access the pump bit decided it would be an equally gynecological manoeuvre, plus hefting two 170ah batteries to boot. The battery switches are where your access hatch is, I assume you moved them? Overall an easy job, other than separating the pump from the bottom hose and then lining up the drive for the pump blind.
My battery switches are to the starboard side so did not have to move them. If you are only ever going to swap pumps and change the impeller on the bench (i have found it best to fit a new impeller every 150hrs) then you don't need the access hatch that I fitted. I don't have a spare pump so need to be able to do an easy impeller change in situ. The O-ring between pump and engine is 68mm ID X 3mm crosssection nitrile. Much cheaper from bearing shop or online than vp price. Did you notice the black plastic drive coupling behind the pump? While the pump is off the engine it can fall out!

www.solocoastalsailing.co.uk
 
Did you notice the black plastic drive coupling behind the pump? While the pump is off the engine it can fall out!
Luckily it came out with the old pump, otherwise I’d have missed it. Behind the first step on mine are two switches, the purpose of which I’m unclear on, and to port is a 1/2/both/off switch. I change impeller with an impeller puller and use an oil filter clamp to ‘squeeze’ the new impeller in. Only a moderate bruise rating....
 
You're joking right? I have to strip mine down to the block if I want to do anything other than to the front of the engine. Tightening a jubilee clip at the back? It's a days job. So I have the experience of two types of marine engineer in my distant past. One that looks, sucks through his teeth and says he will get back to me only for me to find he has black listed my number on his mobile. The other's eyes lights up and you can see him quiver in excitement at the prospect of buying his next supercar. :cautious:
that sums it up
 
It’s my intention to rebuild the old pump at my leisure, to be honest I have little faith in local mechanics having seen some pretty slapdash work in the past. I would also like to have a non leaky pump in the next week or so which is unlikely to happen here.

I’m going to be checking the pulleys, although the water is being thrown away from the engine which is rusting the port side front engine mount. I did notice some rust on that mount when I bought the boat so this has probably been going on a while, just getting worse. Another reason to sort the problem asa.
I think that it’s always a good idea to have a spare serviceable pump to hand. It’s always much easier to refurbish a pump when there’s no time pressure to get the job done. When it comes to refurbishing a pump I’ve found Simply Bearings to be a one stop shop for bearings, seals and importantly, hard stainless sleeves which go over the shaft, covering any wear grooves.
Access to pumps varies considerably. My current Boat for example has the pump mounted directly on to the engines crankshaft pulley. Less than five minutes job to change pump. On the other extreme I had a Volvo where one of the pump’s retaining bolts was barely accessible. It was only possible to turn the bolt one twelfth of its circumference and the spanner had to be removed, rotated and reengaged. The designer must have been in league with the devil.
Mike
 
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