Is she a Harrison Butler?

[Dayskipp3r]

If anyone can help with with her identity i would be grateful.
Bought last summer and now ashore for some major refurbishment! Whether she a HB is or not i dont mind but it would be great if she was. I have posted some pics here.

www.harrisonbutler.blogspot.com

Many thanks

 

[oldharry]

Not sure, but she doesnt look like HB's Zyklon design -
see: http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/archives/z-4-tonner/z-4-tonner.htm

or http://www.traditional-sail.co.uk/images/pics/la_bonne02.jpg

or another 22ft HB: http://www.simmonsandbroome.com/prima/

... but having said that, she is a pretty boat. Good luck!

 

[Dayskipp3r]

Thank you..Nice pictures..I am hoping i can find her serial No. Its not immediately visible !

 

[Billy_Mizzen]

I’m just speculating but she looks something akin to HB’s Bogle design and definitely has typical Harrison-Butler, barrel like proportions!

You could try looking for a copy of HB’s book Cruising Yachts: Design and Performance, which might shed some light. ISBN 0 8548 7397 0

 

[Dayskipp3r]

Thank you for your help ...I am going to send pictures and measurements to the HB association and see if they can help.

Not a lot on the net about HB designs ..I will see if i can get a copy of the book too !

 

[dombuckley]

Almost certainly not a HB: the sheer doesn't have enough spring in it. You may well find a register number on one of the beams under the mast. Often facing forward, so you need to look from the forepeak aft.

 

[Dayskipp3r]

If i find the elusive number does anyone know of a fast way to identify her ?

 

[dombuckley]

Do you if she had any previous names, or the builder's name? I looked up "Susan" in my 1964 Lloyds List, but nothing was even close in size. Other than that, it's case of trawling through the List to find the number.

 

[Chrusty1]

Looks kind of like a Deben 4 tonner to me, right kind of proportions?

 

[Dayskipp3r]

I will have a good look and let you know..

Thanks for all your assistance.

 

[Dayskipp3r]

Hi Apparently owned by the same family for the last 25 yrs or so.. I have no knowledge of any other names..

Appears to be Pine on Oak.

 

[donm]

I agree. HBs also tended to have a fair amount of rocker in their keels whilst this one has a long flat keel.

 

[dombuckley]

Deben 4 tonner is closer to the mark, though the stem and sternpost are raked a little more, and the lines are finer down aft. deben 4 tonner Zenith

 

[Dayskipp3r]

Thank you for the link...quite a likeness i agree..

Susans current rig is Ali mast / boom / cutter rigged.

Looking for a wooden mast...A Gaff rig would be nice, but i can see myself spending far too long on fiddling and not sailing !

 

[ianc1200]

Do you know the various dimensions? On your web site it says 22', but is this OA, waterline etc?

My 1935 Lloyds (and some post wars) lists a "Susan" built by Woodnutts ST Helens, IOW, in 1929., a Bm Aux sloop, 26.1 TM length, 26.1 OA, 20.7 WL., br'dth 7.2, depth 4.5, draft 3.5 (what is "depth"?), designed A Westmacott. Off No. 149546.

IanC

 

[ianc1200]

In fact, have a Google on "Westmacott yacht" and have a look at some of the photos. The top photo on

http://www.mylor.com/the-boatyard/sunbeams-history.php

bears some resemblance.

IanC

 

[Dayskipp3r]

Thanks for the assistance.I will be at the boat on thursday armed with a tape measure ! When i bought her early last summer i was told she was an unverified HB 1937, LOA 22ft .8ft beam. I think it was pretty general though !

Best find the Off No. and get measuring !

Thank you ..

 

[dombuckley]

"Depth" is an internal measurement, being the vertical distance amidships from the top of the keel to the sheerline.

 

[Chrusty1]

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Thank you for the link...quite a likeness i agree..

Susans current rig is Ali mast / boom / cutter rigged.

Looking for a wooden mast...A Gaff rig would be nice, but i can see myself spending far too long on fiddling and not sailing !

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Now you have got a wooden boat, I think you had better be prepared to do a lot of "fiddling".......

Otherwise, she will go to hell in a bucket PDQ! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Dayskipp3r]

Mirror to Fireball to Blackwater sloop to Susan with a number of plastic tubs in between...

I have fiddled many an hour !

Thanks for all the posts.