Is it rude to tack in a channel?

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... I saw a boat do a 360 deg turn so as to get out the way of another which was under sail, only for it tac in front of the boat completing the 360 deg turn and make him do another 360 turn. Both sail boats (not dinghies racing), about 200mtrs inside the harbour from eastoke.
The culprit was sailing straight across the entrance with masses of boats going in and out. It just seemed unreasonable for him to expect everyone to get out of his way even if he did have the colregs on his side.

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The fact is though, that he didn't have the col regs on his side. The first line of rule 17 says "Where one of the vessels is to keep out of the way of the other shall keep her course and speed". A raggie can cut up a mobo or another raggie but he only gets one bite of the cherry. He may not immediately tack and do it again. Don't listen to any garbage about mobos needing to anticipate tacks.

'Constrained by draft' applies specifically to powered vessels so raggies can't claim that, even if they show the required black cylinder.
 
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If there are enough accidents as occurred to Refueler then you will have laws passed to stop people sailing in and out!


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If refueler has all the accidents, stop him! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
The original question wasnt about colregs nor about local byelaws nor about sailing skills. It simply asked if it was rude to tack in a channel subsequently expanded to mean a realatively narrow marina entrance channel. It seems to me that if by tacking you inconvenience others to a significant degree then it is rude. And causing a mobo to come to a crash stop would definitely be an inconvenience to him in my book.

We live in a crowded island and those who chose to go boating in the Solent area are doing so in crowded waters. Seems to me that this demands an attitude of giving consideration to others rather than insisting on colreg rights - otherwise life becoimes unpleasantly aggressive and confrontational for everyone.. Not sure how well that concept sits with the testosterone fuelled BM driving middle manager that can sometimes be found on these forums.

Coming back once on the bridge of the Bilbao ferry as it entered Portsmouth harbour I was fascinated to watch a glue ensigned yacht happily tacking up the channel just as it narrowed to its smallest width. Happily that is until he heard the 5 blasts and looked behid him when he scooted outside the channel with engine going and sails flapping. Got to laugh. But he wasnt so much rude as foolish.
 
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This goes back to my original post on this thread, its like everyone owns the harbour (of course Itchenor sailing club DO own any bit of harbour they are racing on /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif). Everyone CAN do what they like within the colregs and local bye laws. But please (and I guess this applies everywhere) would people just exercise:

Good manners
Common sense
Give thought to others

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And that is the essence of the OP as well I believe and of my supporting post about same location.
But some have answered that "colregs ... " .... "why shouldn't he sail ......." ...... "should be obvious he'll tack and act accordingly ...." ... words to that effect. Implying that OP is being unreasonable to expect common sense and courtesy in such locations when plenty of boats around.

Is it really necessary to impede / annoy / cause drastic action by way of own bloody-mindedness and insistence ? I like to think that we use the water to enjoy and allow others to enjoy as well. The guy who tacked across me .. I turned to allow him passge as prudent and Colregs require, he then tacks again negating everything done FOR him to have clear passage ... is that not unreasonable ?

Imagine Sunsail fleet in Chi. Hbr entrance !! Wow that would be something !! Having seen them all arrive for the Marquee Party at Cowes West one year - wish I'd video'd it - we could all have a good laugh ... (wasn't so funny for the very nice Classic boat ahead of me though when the SS boat scraped along it ... but that's another story ...)
 
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There's a few on here that have been demo'd my boats capability with that engine ! It is awesome

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I have many photo's of tram lines that have been carved by my boat.

It's been witnessed that she can push both bilge keels through 20cms of mud ...
My private channel at home - the entrance sometimes when water level drops can be as little as 65cms ... my boats draft is 95cm. I can still go in / out of the channel and she just heels to stbd as lifts port keel to ride over the 'bar' to go out ...
I always check the keels etc. every time she's lifted - see if any stress cracking / damage ... nothing at all. Luckily she's not bolted on keels.
 
While it is pretty inconsiderate to tack through a lot of boats forcing them to alter course, slam on the brakes etc. it is also, in many instances, illegal to do so under the colregs. Far from colregs providing these people with an excuse for their behaviour, if they read the rules properly they would realise the colregs don't give raggies the right to do as they please.

So yes, discussion of the colregs is relevant to the OP.
 
Ok - can't argue that they apply in all circumstances except where specific exceptions are stated in local laws etc.

What we are looking at here as I see it in OP - is the common sense and appreciation of other users. We've all come across the selfish on the water ... and it is sad that they carry on in that way until someone really has a go at them. Colregs are fine and provide a means to understand what each should do. But many times a prudent action is made that sorts a situation without recourse to letter of the regs, there are also circumstances that Colregs are in a grey area and may not be so helpful. It's too late expecting a magistrate to judge who's to blame in Chichester Entrance if a boat tacking amongst loads of other boats ends up in a collision with another. Sensible approach would have averted it.
 
I think you need to visit Chi harbour entrance - it isn't that bad ... and most of the time it isn't crowded ... as Galadriel said - it's pretty much a non-issue, save for the handful of incidents each year...

if the HM thought it was an issue I'm sure he'd added a byelaw stating that every boat should transit the entrance under sail /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
I sailed out of Emsworth for many years so I do know the situation there. At certain times, Sunday afternoon for example, there can be a lot of traffic, enough for someone tacking to cause mayhem. Especially if they don't know the rules or disregard them.
 
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Especially if they don't know the rules or disregard them.

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Hmm ... who's the "they" ... the sail boat or the "motor" boat going past ...

perhaps those motoring should look further ahead than their bow and those sailing keep an eye out all around (as they should do) to ensure they are tacking (or have room to tack) in clear water (assume others keep constant course/speed).

I take racing dinghy, club rib and "big boat" out through - and its never really been a problem for me ... (loads of collisions and crashes around me though - can't for the life of me think why! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif)
 
'They' in this instance refers to raggies who tack through other boats believing the old 'power gives way to sail' gives them carte blanche.
 
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