Is it rude to tack in a channel?

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If your boat handling is so poor that you can not comply with Colregs without getting your knickers in a twist then you have a responsibility not to put to sea, especially in busy areas.

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What a remark .... sorry to not agree with you. The remark is not fair IMHO.

Chi Entrance can be choked with boats and having had years in / out of that from HYCO - I can say that Colreg's are at times wasted on some of the prats boating in that entrance ... whether it be mobo or raggie.
Mobo's are usually intent on wash .. getting the engines up and boat onto plane - then turn to destination ... so pretty well straight line stuff, but not some of the raggies ... tacking amongst loads of boats going in / out and small boats fishing the entrance (it's excellent Bass in it !!). My worst incident is posted above where the guy didn't even sail a decent distance past on that tack as he could have done .. ignored my obvious large alteration to let him continue and for me to pass astern of him .. he tacked right in front of me - I could not see any reason for it. Problem now is that without that crash stop astern of mine - I would have punched a nice hole into the side of his modern AWB.

It has nothing to do with Colregs ... it's the skippers decision to act like a prat and have water to himself and cause others to take avoiding action in congested waters. There are times when insisting on sails is darn right idiotic.
No doubt he and his companions had a good chuckle over their cocktails later ... Wife and I had broken items in the cabin as a result and not so many humorous words about him ..
 
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Chi conservancy byelaw No. 2

c) furling spinnakers in plenty of time in adverse weather conditions, before reaching the moorings - this is particularly applicable to large vessels, which should be under power at busy periods

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The implication of the emphasis you applied is that no one should be under sail in the harbour during busy periods ....

However, it also reads that in adverse weather conditions at busy periods AND within the moorings ... large vessels should be under power.... those slightly smaller should furl their spinnakers ...

nb - there are no moorings in the harbour entrance save for the few just north of Hayling Island Sailing Club which is sailed by and not through.

What I haven't seen is any conservancy definition of Large Vessel, Busy Period or Adverse Weather Conditions...
 
FFS! This thread is really getting out of all proportion! Ive been in and out of Chichester harbour for around 15 years now, I don't suppose that there are as many as .001% of boats that TACK out of the harbour, least of all when Ive been coming out anyway. To start with, to tack out you would need a southerly wind, how often does that occur compared to W or SW?

In fact even in ideal conditions when a boat can sail out (keeping a N - S line), i.e reaching or close reaching, most choose to motor or motor sail.

Lets have a bloody good row about Col regs, I'm always up for that, but not a made up issue, this problem doesn't exist!
 
I think you are taking someone else's comments and attributing them to me? I have no problem with Sail boats generally. Some of the dinghy racers come across as tw@ts sometimes but don't we all... All I've done is pointed out certain parts of the local byelaws which may substantiate the original posters gripe.
 
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Wife and I had broken items in the cabin as a result and not so many humorous words about him ..

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You really should do more to prepare your boats cabin for the sea you know. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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Wife and I had broken items in the cabin as a result and not so many humorous words about him ..

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You really should do more to prepare your boats cabin for the sea you know. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Wife and I had broken items in the cabin as a result

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I think it is most un-necessary to go down below and break things just because you had to do a crash stop! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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FFS! This thread is really getting out of all proportion! Ive been in and out of Chichester harbour for around 15 years now, I don't suppose that there are as many as .001% of boats that TACK out of the harbour, least of all when Ive been coming out anyway. To start with, to tack out you would need a southerly wind, how often does that occur compared to W or SW?

In fact even in ideal conditions when a boat can sail out (keeping a N - S line), i.e reaching or close reaching, most choose to motor or motor sail.

Lets have a bloody good row about Col regs, I'm always up for that, but not a made up issue, this problem doesn't exist!

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The incident actually happened to me - he was tacking coming out through a lot of traffic both in and out of Chi.

I have no problem with people sailing in out of there normally - I used to do it myself, but with engine ticking over in neutral as safety measure. It's when it's a busy bank holiday or other when boats are numerous and it becomes a North London Circular copy !!

I took the OP question and answered it in respect of an experience I had - despite many years of using the Chi. entrance without incident.

Actually another was Langstone Entrance when a Nich. hard sheeted nearly ripped my stays when his cross trees went through them .. no word of a lie - I was well over and trying to stay clear and he just kept on going .. TWANG TWANG TWANG as he went through them .. I had nowhere to go.
I know who it was and I later had quiet words with him when we met at the club bar .. his response was unprintable and to me - totally opposite to all reasonable on the water ... his reply basically was - he was a yacht under sail and bigger than me - get out of the way ....

Fact I was already in danger of hitting the buoys of ECA .. trying to give him as much room as possible ..
 
Ah well - there you go - was he on the committee at the club too? You can normally tell by their special burgees .... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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Wife and I had broken items in the cabin as a result and not so many humorous words about him ..

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You really should do more to prepare your boats cabin for the sea you know. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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I know I know ... but have you seen my boat do a crash stop from normal speed ? It is simply put - UNBELIEVABLE ! I can even have the divan mattresses coming of the bases ...

I dumped my Ex Wife of the bow at Folly Inn one time and that wasn't even full astern !

Seriously - we all leave odd stuff around the cabin - but it had stayed in place through sailing back from Cowes .. with the waves / swell outside Chi Entrance .. but that crash stop did it !

There's a few on here that have been demo'd my boats capability with that engine ! It is awesome.
 
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There's a few on here that have been demo'd my boats capability with that engine ! It is awesome

[/ QUOTE ] Does that include the migration into a tank as you chewed your way across Ryde Sands? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
Maybe once a season you see people do things in the harbour which seem unnecessary or pig ignorant. Last weekend I saw a boat do a 360 deg turn so as to get out the way of another which was under sail, only for it tac in front of the boat completing the 360 deg turn and make him do another 360 turn. Both sail boats (not dinghies racing), about 200mtrs inside the harbour from eastoke.
The culprit was sailing straight across the entrance with masses of boats going in and out. It just seemed unreasonable for him to expect everyone to get out of his way even if he did have the colregs on his side.

ps this is not an anti raggie post just a last weekend observation of a particular individual.
 
Kev

This goes back to my original post on this thread, its like everyone owns the harbour (of course Itchenor sailing club DO own any bit of harbour they are racing on /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif). Everyone CAN do what they like within the colregs and local bye laws. But please (and I guess this applies everywhere) would people just exercise:

Good manners
Common sense
Give thought to others
 
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Good manners
Common sense
Give thought to others


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Amen

maybe this could be the forum prayer... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Amen

maybe this could be the forum prayer...

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But then what would we row about? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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But then what would we row about?

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